Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Becoming Jiff


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Salvio 10:33, 18 August 2020 (UTC)

Becoming Jiff

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A non-notable web series with no evidence of satisfying either WP:GNG or WP:NFILM. GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 17:14, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. GSS &#x202F;&#128172; 17:14, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions.  Megan Barris   (Lets talk📧)  17:23, 25 July 2020 (UTC)

I don't understand, this is a Web TV series produced by Dean Silvers that's almost three years old. The creator even acknowledged it was on the ballot for the 2019 Emmy Awards. It was distributed by Samuel Goldwyn Films and had an exclusive deal with Prime Video. How is that notable? No one had an issue with this for almost three years, but then when someone posted an article about the creator then they questioned this article. Answer honestly, do you think this page would ever have been nominated for deletion if someone didn't submit a wiki page for the creator?

Watch it, see the opening and closing credits: https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07HYKKTRW

Look at the post on the talk page: I disagree with the proposed deletion, the editor did not read the proper “notability” guidelines when proposing deletion. This article is NOT about “Film Notability” which he or she uses as an example, this is a Web Televisions series NOT A FILM. If he or she had read the article this would appear obvious -- therefore his reasoning for deletion does not apply to this article.

In general the notability page clearly states: “Determining notability does not necessarily depend on things such as fame, importance, or popularity…” But the television show was produced by famous Sundance Winning producer Dean Silvers. It was distributed the famous studio Samuel Goldwyn Films (known for films such as: The Secret Life of Walter Mitty (2013 film) and The Squid and the Whale) and released on one of the most famous web platforms Prime Video. Based off the “Notability” page it seems as though the editor thinks this is an article about an independent film that played at a film festival that isn’t on imdb. None of which is true. The Notability page he sources also says “Significant coverage is more than a trivial mention, but it does not need to be the main topic of the source material.” Below are articles on the film and lead actor. A TV review from BuzzFeed, a major new publication and a review by a Rottentomatoes.com certified film critic. https://www.clichemag.com/celebrity-news/becoming-jiffs-tyler-silvers-on-comedy-family-and-navigating-mistaken-identity/ https://www.buzzfeed.com/jenniferabidor/heres-a-bunch-of-things-you-can-watch-on-amazon-prime-video https://thefilmstage.com/new-to-streaming-let-the-sunshine-in-private-life-phantom-thread-and-more/ http://www.samuelgoldwynfilms.com/becoming-jiff/ https://www.screendaily.com/news/samuel-goldwyn-films-snaps-up-short-form-comedy-series-becoming-jiff-from-silvers-brothers/5132771.article Reddit AMA on the film: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/9p1gu0/were_the_silvers_brothers_the_creators_of_the/ Official Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=415speAw_1I&feature=emb_title Prime Video: https://www.amazon.com/Becoming-Jiff/dp/B07HYHNVC9 Apple TV: https://tv.apple.com/us/show/becoming-jiff/umc.cmc.6t7xnn4ew24erqaql0tpqggkx https://www.imdb.com/title/tt8595186/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fsilvers (talk • contribs) 18:50, 25 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Note to closer for soft deletion: While this discussion appears to have no quorum, it is NOT eligible for soft deletion because it has been previously PROD'd (via summary). --Cewbot (talk) 00:02, 2 August 2020 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 03:04, 2 August 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Salvio 09:58, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Fsilvers, who likely has a conflict of interest with the Silvers family, does not present very convincing sourcing above. The show has about a paragraph in various listicles on what's new to streaming (the Film Stage and BuzzFeed), each of which have only one paragraph telling us that the show is incredibly great. ScreenDaily is a brief news piece about samuel goldwyn films' involvement, and is probably the most promising source. A Cliche mag interview is not independent and more about the brothers than the show. While Fsilvers is correct that this isn't a film, the guideline that applies is WP:NTV and WP:GNG, and for either we expect more in-depth coverage than an interview, two one-paragraph 'reviews' (though even calling them 'reviews' is a stretch), and one brief news article to establish notability. Eddie891 Talk Work 12:35, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete This is textbook WP:VANISPAM, where the work's creator hasn't fulfilled any sense of critical coverage here (the Buzzfeed piece is very awkward in the middle of proven library content), and anyone easily pay APV to upload their work, or pay the nomination fee to the Television Academy to appear on the ballot despite most of the voters' reaction being 'Jiff who? Never saw this on (network or streaming service)'. One review (a clear sock IMDb review) doesn't cover critical coverage either.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 20:48, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


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