Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beech Grove, Fulton County, Kentucky


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 15:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

Beech Grove, Fulton County, Kentucky

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Looks spurious. GNIS is sourced to the Rennick place names file, but Rennick states that Beech Grove was a site where one Mr. Watson donated land for a small school and Methodist church. A county history talks about a Beech Grove school, but no community. The pre-GNIS topos always call it "Beech Grove Church" or "Beech Grove Cemetery." I have seen no evidence that this was any more than a church and one room schoolhouse, so it appears to fail WP:GEOLAND. I'm willing to be proved wrong, especially since searching is complicated by the fact that there are four Beech Groves in Kentucky. Hog Farm Bacon 23:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 23:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Kentucky-related deletion discussions. Hog Farm Bacon 23:25, 30 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Comment: LOL, you think there's four Beech Groves in Kentucky? How about eleven "Beech Grove Schools"! none of which are in Fulton County. Checking google maps with the coordinates 36.516667, -89.240556 (from the wiki article) shows you an intersection of Beech Grove Rd and state route KY-925, with Beech Grove Church at that intersection. The moment you try to "get directions" and type any character, the notation "Fulton County School District" appears. However, FCSD has all of their schools on a single campus in Hickman, the nearest town 7 miles away. So it's quite possible that there was a school there once. I even checked google and Facebook for anything called "Beech Grove Church" or "Beech Grove United Methodist Church" and I get nothing. I checked the property records for the county for Beech Grove Rd and State Route 925 (just type "925") and there's no property owned by a church name or school name; everything is in the name of an individual. So... since I know a bit about Kentucky culture, this "intersection" and some old school and old church were probably locally known as "Beech Grove" a long time ago ("Go several miles until you get to Beech Grove and make a left"), but there's not much there today and I doubt there was anything "notable" about this area. Normal Op (talk) 01:14, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 16:51, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * KEEP: This article needs work but with new citations I think it can pass notability per WP:GEOLAND. Jmbranum (talk) 19:57, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * - Can you point out where in any of the notability guidelines that it says that "if it has a church and a cemetery, it's notable"? What I'm positing is that a church, school, and cemetery were all that was here.  WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, WP:GNG, WP:GEOLAND, and WP:NOTDIRECTORY are all in play for deletion at this point. Hog Farm Bacon 20:01, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the Article Rescue Squadron's list of content for rescue consideration. Jmbranum (talk) 19:57, 9 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Userify I spent some time on Newspapers.com looking for additional sources to make the argument for why this location would meet the notability standards per WP:GEOLAND but unfortunately the abundance of other locales named "Beech Grove" in Kentucky makes it very difficult to determine which stories are referring to which place (other than looking at context, etc.). In light of this, I think the best answer for this article is to move this article to userspace for continued work and possible reconsideration of the article at a later point in time. I now have the current content of the article posted at User:Jmbranum/Beech Grove, Fulton County, Kentucky. Jmbranum (talk) 14:05, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * I do want to clarify that there are some unambiguous references to this particular Beech Grove in the press clippings, such as this one: "Obituary: Hilda Hawkins" The Paducah Sun (August 24, 2012). Jmbranum (talk) 14:14, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's many of those, but mere mentions like that don't add up to notability. It's becoming clearer the place definitely fails the legally recognized community part of GEOLAND, and GNG-bearing coverage is still lacking. Hog Farm Bacon 14:51, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Well duh new citiations could help it pass notability, but you need to actually provide them! No indication this is a notable place, that it is legally recognized, or that there is signifcant coverage to pass GEOLAND. People living on the same street and a church sharing the name of the road does not make the neighborhood a notable community. I found no newspapers.com results about the Fulton County place. Reywas92Talk 20:12, 9 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The reason this place has an article is because of it's supposed status as an unincorporated community, which are presumed notable in WP:GEOLAND. It would appear that assigning it this status was erroneous however, the source of this claim is GNIS, who in turn cite Rennick, who claims it to be the site of a church and 1 room school, not a settlement. I have searched for any sources to support the existence of a settlement called Beech Grove in Fulford County but have been unable to find anything.
 * Since the settlement does not seem to exist we must instead interpret the notability of the school and the church. Per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES schools are generally not presumed notable simply because they exist and require a claim to notability and sources to support it, I have been unable to locate either for this school. As far as I am aware we do not have a specific notability guideline for church buildings, so it must instead pass WP:GNG or WP:NBUILDING, both of which require significant coverage by third party sources. I have been unable to find any coverage of this church outside of directory listings and passing mentions in some announcements and various genealogy sources, so it would appear that this notability guideline is also not met. 86.23.86.239 (talk) 21:04, 11 October 2020 (UTC)


 * Userfy, it might serve our readers best to convert this as part of a list article of Beech Groves in the region.  Glee anon 11:53, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Which would then get deleted as failing WP:LISTN. Some content just is inherently non-notable, and not even ATD can save it. Hog Farm Bacon 13:36, 14 October 2020 (UTC)


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