Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beer in Tasmania


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was merge to Beer in Australia.  Sandstein  19:29, 28 January 2021 (UTC)

Beer in Tasmania

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It's just an unsourced list of non-notable breweries. There doesn't seem to be any similar lists for other states in Australia and this list doesn't seem useful. Suonii180 (talk) 22:06, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Economics-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:23, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Australia-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 22:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep This is just a drive-by nomination which is not useful because it fails to respect our policies such as WP:ATD; WP:BEFORE and WP:IMPERFECT. It is easy to improve the page, as I shall demonstrate, and this is more useful than deletion. Andrew🐉(talk) 10:13, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep: Boutique beers, pub beers and craft beers are on the rise and rise, particularly with online orders during the pandemic. Lots of reviews in Broadsheets, and newspaper coverage in the last 12 months. --Whiteguru (talk) 09:56, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   16:19, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per above. Notable subject with sources. Not even a merge into Beer in Australia seems appropriate due to that article being pretty bloated already. ~EdGl talk 19:54, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Beer in Australia is my new recommendation after further investigation and per the recent !votes below. It's hard to find sources and content for anything except for its two largest breweries. The "bloat" in the Beer in Australia article I mentioned in my earlier comment can be dealt with separately. ~EdGl talk 18:46, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


 * delete as a patent example of what WP:NOTDIR is supposed to prevent. Boutique and micro-brewing are everywhere, and its very ubiquity is why a list of otherwise NN breweries ought not to be an article. Mangoe (talk) 05:33, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * It's not List of breweries in Tasmania, it's Beer in Tasmania, with apparently almost 200 years of history. The article should be improved (history expanded, and list of breweries trimmed, removed, or converted to prose), not deleted. ~EdGl talk</b> 14:26, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * At the moment, almost all the content is List of breweries in Tasmania, and the rest is either trivial (1824) or ephemeral (who the biggest brewers and their markets are). This is one of those times where I'm tempted to write You need to prove it can be fixed, as right now the article says what everyone already knows about every place colonized by Europeans: grains were brewed into alcohol as soon as the colonists could manage it, and recently the dominance of industrial production has been supplemented by a resurgence in small-scale brewing. For Tasmania to need a separate article, it needs something that distinguishes it, and right now the article says the opposite. Mangoe (talk) 15:34, 13 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Nonsense. Many or most topics are about examples of a common type such as the large number of articles about lighthouses which Mangoe has written.  Topics are not required to be special, distinctive or otherwise unusual.  This is an encyclopedia and so not limited to marvels and oddities. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:59, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

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Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 14:20, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Actually, yes, WP:N does say that there needs to be something distinctive, a low level of distinction, to be sure, but right now this is rather like what someone might write about Beer in Montgomery County, Maryland: I'm pretty sure that there are a couple of microbreweries here, and some brewpubs, and unlike the (most of) the rest of the state, for some reason we have county liquor and a quirk where exactly three grocery stores get to sell beer and wine. And now I've said almost everything there is to say about it, and there's nothing that doesn't fit in a paragraph on the county itself. Plenty of other counties in Maryland have the same (minus the liquor laws) and with new ones opening and closing all the time.


 * Using lighthouses as an example really doesn't cut it, because almost the only arguments about them are whether to use "light" versus "lighthouse" in the article name. The only notability questions about lighthouses I've ever seen revolved around structures which weren't erected as navigational aids, and I have seen very few even of those. And from a strictly procedural view, in the US at least nobody took the light lists and made stubs on every named aid therein, so that if an article was created, it had basic stats and a history. Likewise, other than the US master list we didn't make list of lighthouse articles until it was clear that there was some value to be gained in showing all the lights in a state in tabular form. If anything, the messages to be taken from comparing lighthouse articles to articles on "unincorporated communities" is that the people who did the former worked from a better notability guideline and used a better methodology than those who did the latter. It's hardly going to persuade me to use a project that abjured everything that is controversial about mass article creation in advocating the opposite; the message, as far as I am concerned, is that articles shouldn't be created until substantial material can be— and is— included. Mangoe (talk) 15:21, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Tasmania has a smaller population than Maryland but its area is more than twice as great. As we have a similar List of breweries in Maryland, there's no case for deleting the Australian state while keeping the American one. Andrew🐉(talk) 15:59, 20 January 2021 (UTC)


 * Redirect to Beer in Australia. No evidence this concept has a stand-alone notability, no in-depth discussion the concept of beer in this Australian province has been presented. The article is just a list of companies/brands from that province but as a list it fails WP:NLIST. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 08:52, 22 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Merge to Beer in Australia and List of breweries in Australia, which can cover the content well. Reywas92Talk 18:25, 22 January 2021 (UTC)


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