Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beersheva bus station shooting (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. WP:SNOW close. Some people (including the nom) support a rename, but nobody appears to support deletion at this point. AfD is not a great venue to debate a contentious WP:ARBPIA rename discussion. I will procedurally open an RM discussion. (non-admin closure) power~enwiki ( π, ν ) 04:15, 16 December 2018 (UTC)

Beersheva bus station shooting
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WP:NOTNEWS - no significant sustained coverage in reliable secondary sources Nableezy 16:52, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Crime-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 16:54, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Terrorism-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 16:54, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Israel-related deletion discussions. Icewhiz (talk) 16:54, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:13, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. An obvious one actually. The lynching of Zarhum (a rather rare case in Israel in which an innocent bystander was shot and then lynched and killed) generated WP:SUSTAINED WP:SIGCOV - Also Zehavi, Adar. Migration through the Membrane of the Israeli Law. Diss. University of Amsterdam, 2017 or this book for instance. Icewhiz (talk) 17:02, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Id be fine with an article on the lynching as that actually has sustained coverage, but that isnt what this is.  nableezy  - 20:54, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Part and parcel of this event.Icewhiz (talk) 20:58, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Your source seems to only think to mention the lynching. The only thing that is notable about this is given a paragraph, whereas the shooting itself has no sustained coverage at all.  nableezy  - 21:20, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I provided a number of sources, they do cover the rest of the shooting as well. I keyworded Zarhum simply because that was a trivially notable aspect here - which should have been evident in a WP:BEFORE prior to nomming this - the assertion in the nomination of no coverage being quite clearly false. There is an 18 minute award winning documentary as well - Death in the Terminal which covers the entire event as one event. Icewhiz (talk) 21:43, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * No, you provided a number of news sources, which by your own argument are primary and do not establish notability, the one secondary source is about the lynching. I maintain an article on the shooting fails WP:NOTNEWS, though I agree an article on the lynching would be appropriate.  nableezy  - 21:57, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Nope, secondary. As is the documemtary and analysis of it.Icewhiz (talk) 22:01, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Im sorry, Im just confused. You previously wrote that newspaper articles are WP:PRIMARYNEWS and do not establish notability. Is that not the case?  nableezy  - 22:14, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * In different circumstances (articles close to an event, 30 years old). If you actually read what you just linked to, you will see that in some circumstances NEWSORG coverage is primary, and in others secondary. And the documentary movie is quite obviously not a newspaper.Icewhiz (talk) 22:24, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep Apart from the arguments provided by my predecessors, who and which I agree with, I am a little worried about the nomination for deletion on 4 articles from Category:Palestinian terrorism by one and the same editor, whose POV is well-known. Debresser (talk) 20:00, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Change name to Lynching of Haftom Zarhum, if you have seen the pictures of that lynching/torure, it was extremely ugly, and many, many Israeli bystanders participated, (more than the 4 who got "community service"...also: giving community service for a lynching is an insult to the victim), IMO,  Huldra (talk) 20:43, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note that "lynch", "lynching," have a peculiar meaning in Israel. In English-speaking countries these words describe a prearranged, premeditated extrajudicial killing by a group, that is, a group that assembles for the purpose of killing a particular individual, locates him, and kills him without benefit of law. In Israel it is used more loosely, in this instance, the Israeli press used it to describe a spontaneous attack on an individual who was presumed (because of his skin color,) to be the perpetrator of a terrorist attack and was killed at the scene by bystanders who mistook him for a terrorist.  But it is also used for sudden street violence that flares in places where young men hang out and someone gets beaten up.  It would be misleading to rename this terrorist attack and mob attack on a misidentified victim as a "lynching" in an English-language encyclopedia.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:28, 14 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep as per arguments above, there is significant coverage including a documentary film. Melcous (talk) 01:21, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep Article seems well sourced to me. In my opinion passes WP:GNG. Govvy (talk) 18:20, 12 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - significant coverage, international wide significance. WP:GNG, BabbaQ (talk) 22:58, 13 December 2018 (UTC)
 * WP:SNOW Keep passes WP:NCRIME, WP:SIGCOV, and note''' that a film was made on subject.E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:11, 15 December 2018 (UTC)


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