Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Before I Sleep (album)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep without preudice to renominate it in May, when the album is actually out and we can judge better what to do with the article.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:48, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

Before I Sleep (album)

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An album yet to be released, by a barely notable musician. Article is mainly sourced to brief articles that don't talk about the album, for example Tellymix about her previous EP, Music News which fails to mention the album at all, a 'Twitter' comment etc. Fails WP:NMUSIC and meets WP:TOOSOON. Sionk (talk) 01:06, 31 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Albums and songs-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:54, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Regards to your claim that the artist fails WP:NMUSIC - this article claims that a musician or ensemble should achieve just one of the criterion to achieve validity. The artist in question meets the following 6 items from the 'Criteria for musicians and ensembles': 1. Numerous publications. 2. Bo Bruce, Search The Night reached number 2 on UK iTunes album chart in 2012. 4. National tour 2013 - UK. As well as performances at major UK festivals in 2012 and 2013. 9. Second place The Voice UK series 1. 11. Lead single (from the album in question) currently in rotation on BBC Radio 2, amongst other radio stations and all major music video channels. 12. The Voice UK. I will of course be willing to expand on any of the above points, should you wish.

Also, with regards to the referral to WP:TOOSOON, could you perhaps clarify your views on this, to help me better understand and respond to your concerns? As this article mentions only Actors and Films - the article being considered for deletion here is neither of these.

The article in question has already been rated on the WikiProject Albums scope (which can be viewed on the talk page of the article) and was not considered for deletion at that point.

I think it should also be important to consider There_is_no_deadline, in particular view two, which states "We can afford to take our time to improve articles, to wait before deleting a new article unless its potential significance cannot be established." In my opinion, the significance of this article is justified (as detailed in my first paragraph).

However, I completely agree that this article can, and of course should, be improved -and I would be willing to improve the page and search out better sources.

I look forward to your response and hopefully being able to resolve any issues! Thank you for your time. Gracec250 (talk) 21:11, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


 * The AfD isn't about Bo Bruce, but about her yet-to-be-released album. The album hasn't received sufficient pre-release attention to satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria. Sionk (talk) 21:41, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete as nominator. The Tellymix article is the only coverage I can find which does more than mention the future album. Sionk (talk) 21:43, 31 March 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. I believe that There_is_no_deadline must be considered. In addition to this, the claim above that just one article covering this release exists is in fact untrue, as there are a number of easily accessible sources for coverage of this release, including: Sunday Times Fabulous magazine interview, available in both print (31-03-2013) and online. Contact Music article. Female First article. Huffington Post articles. Numerous Digital Spy articles. AltSounds article. Virgin Media article. There Goes The Fear article. London Evening Standard article. - Please be aware that this list of sources is not exhaustive as there are numerous other references in existance both online and in print (such as additional articles in the Sunday Times, The Sun, Hello! magazine (01-04-2013), etc.) Gracec250 (talk) 16:52, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Fabulous Mag - a brief mention at the bottom of an interview; Contact Music - a press release; Female First - an exact copy of the press release; the two Huff Post articles are the same, but at least have a short paragraph; the two actual Digital Spy articles and  are basically identical, but DS at least have some detail; Altsounds - another exact copy-paste of the press release.
 * With the DS article and the Huff Post paragraph, it is better than nothing, but still unconvincing in my view. Sionk (talk) 17:56, 1 April 2013 (UTC)


 * I still disagree with you, but will of course respect your opinion. I'll continue to aim to improve the article and search for additional suitable sources until a decision to merge/keep/delete the article is made. Gracec250 (talk) 01:09, 2 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. I believe the article should be kept and whether or not it gets deleted should depend on the album's chart performance and whether or not there are any major publicity events. However, the album does need improving with better references Lovepickle (talk) 12:31, 2 April 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep. Album has a name, release date, tracklisting and a considerably developed article. So called "rules" like the aforementioned WP:NMUSIC and WP:TOOSOON are just mere excuses for so-called wikipedians not to be more involved in the development of Wikipedia itself. Even if they were actual rules, this article surely shouldn't fall under WP:TOOSOON at least! RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 14:59, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * With all respect, WP:GNG and WP:NMUSIC (etc.) are there to stop people adding everything that ever existed (or ever will exist) into the encyclopedia, regardless of its importance. Sionk (talk) 18:18, 4 April 2013 (UTC)
 * So? Isn't that supposed to be a goal for a project that calls itself "The Free Encyclopedia"? You're not going to fill up the internet, guys! The entire thing is virtual, you know. RazorEye ⡭ ₪ ·o' ⍦ ࿂ 03:32, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

--Michig (talk) 07:02, 7 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Keep for now. As it is released in three weeks, we can judge a couple of weeks after that whether this should be kept as a standalone article or merged to the artist article. It seems extremely unlikely that the album will not receive enough coverage to be considered GNG-notable so any discussion based on what's around now could be a bit of a waste of time.
 * Strong Keep I follow UK pop charts as well as I can from the United States, and I'm sure this album will have an impact. I will often check Wikipedia to find out about the album or artist of a song that I am listening to, so when I get to this song, it would be a shame if the article wasn't there.  Not sure why you'd want to delete it, honestly.  Listmeister (talk) 20:45, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.