Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Behdad Sami (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. JForget 01:21, 5 June 2010 (UTC)

Behdad Sami
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See Articles for deletion/Behdad Sami. Relisting and semi-protecting because the previous AfD was impossible to close due to the SPA activity. I abstain. King of &hearts;   &diams;   &clubs;  &spades; 04:41, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: The ABA is a professional league, so the article passes WP:ATH, and being the first Irani--Allworldbball (talk) 23:33, 4 June 2010 (UTC)an to play American professional basketball also makes him notable.   T G R  ✫ 06:38, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: This wikipedia page falls under all pro basketball player athlete guidelines/terms. All references are highly notable including the National Basketball Association (NBA), the American Basketball Association (ABA), and SLAM Magazine. If the NBA recognizes Behdad Sami as a "full" pro athlete and also honors him as the first pro Iranian basketball player in the USA, its highly notable being the NBA is the highest level basketball league in the world. Behdad also falls under Basketball Nobility (4.5) from Wikipedia.--Hoopindreams (talk) 10:25, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Basketball-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:46, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:47, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep. It seems like players are getting a couple thousand USD a month which, while nothing compared to the NBA, is "fully pro" in my book.  $20 000 a year isn't great pay, but a player could conceivably live off of it without a second job.  Being the first Iranian "pro" basketball player helps (and nearly all the sources do say that Sami is the first Iranian Pro basketball player in the US, even after Hamed Haddadi started in the NBA).  On the other hand, Notability (sports) doesn't list the current incantation of the ABA in their list of leagues that automatically confer notability.  Still, even if the current ABA is decided to not automatically confer notability, I believe that Sami still passes our notability guidelines, if only barely. Buddy431 (talk) 22:12, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Comment: I agree with Buddy431, also wanted to add, Behdad has played in more professional leagues other than the ABA, he has played in overseas pro leagues whom are all considered fully pro. Overseas teams pay as much as $8000-100,000 a month and they also include housing, food, and travel expenses. Behdad reportedly signed for $85,000 (116k including bonuses) in 2007 (i have the reference for proof), which still is not the millions the NBA pays, but Euro league teams, teams in Asia pay amazing also for example in Korea, starting rate for a USA basketball player with a nice resume is $15,000 a month. Behdad def. fits all the guidelines and falls under all criteria of nobality as far the USA basketball goes and most definetly falls under overseas pro too. Again, the NBA claims him as full pro and is mentioned in every NBA article regarding Iranian basketball as well as SLAM magazine who is the biggest basketball magazine worlwide.--Hoopindreams (talk) 22:30, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you give the source that he played professionally overseas? Because if so, that would definitely qualify him under WP:AHLETE. Buddy431 (talk) 18:50, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * @Buddy431, in reference(5) on Behdads wiki page, which was originally an article written on ABAlive.com it states, "In 2007-2008, he averaged 17 points and 6 assists with the Gwizzlies before returning to play overseas". Also i have his first contract that he signed in 2007/08 with a SuperLeague team overseas, its a JPEG PDF file but I could email, screenshot, photobucket if needed. Its an official contract with each page stamped and signed by the team and by Behdad himself. Its 8 pages and it includes every bit of information.--Hoopindreams (talk) 22:34, 31 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Strong keep see no reason for deletion.--ÅlandÖland (talk) 23:57, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: Behdad Sami made history, what would be the point of deleting anything? Becoming the first of anything in this world deserves a wiki page. Must keep, it would be like re-writing history. All his hard work and everything he has done would be taken away. ABA is full pro, overseas is full pro. He has done both, he falls under all rules and guidelines. . The NBA itself claims him as a full pro and being the first pro iranian basketball player. must keep!!--Allworldbball (talk) 23:34, 4 June 2010 (UTC)
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