Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Behind Enemy Lines (2017 TV pilot)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Behind Enemy Lines (film series). This leaves open the possibility of a merge if someone is so inclined. Barkeep49 (talk) 02:14, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

Behind Enemy Lines (2017 TV pilot)

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As per WP:TVSHOW, unaired TV pilots are generally not notable enough for standalone articles. This article consists of nothing but casting notices (and the one "Fox passes on pilot" article) which, on their own, do not demonstrate notability. Instead, article should be deleted and replaced with a redirect to Behind Enemy Lines (film series) which is how the subject should be handled. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:48, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:48, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:48, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Merge the production section to Behind Enemy Lines (film series). While notability is not sufficient for a stand-alone article, the sources are fine and content is more in-depth than the merge target. – sgeureka t•c 09:01, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete No cult notability, no airing after pilot season, and outside a couple of known names to sell the series, everyone else remains a cast of unknowns. Nothing here to keep outside a one-sentence line about it in the 2001 film article.  Nate  • ( chatter ) 14:32, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. Redirect to the film. —МандичкаYO 😜 14:41, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Redirect to Behind Enemy Lines (film series). And since that seems to be what the nominator is proposing, I'm unclear why this was brought to AFD at all and not just boldly redirected? Hugsyrup 15:01, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Because AfD decisions are binding. Also, I'm at "delete, and then redirect", rather than just "redirect". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:16, 17 February 2020 (UTC)
 * So is consensus at the talk page, if the redirect is controversial or reverted. And why? Is there something in the page history that needs to be removed? If not, I cannot see any good reason for 'delete & redirect' rather than just 'redirect'. Hugsyrup 08:26, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Speedy close as nominator has admitted to deliberately misusing AfD. I would not necessarily be opposed to a redirect without deletion if discussed at the proper venue, however. Modernponderer (talk) 20:47, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * What are you babbling about? I see you're bad faith casting WP:ASPERSIONS, with no basis in fact, as usual. (Note: This editor has a history of him assuming bad faith on my part – more can be found at my talk page...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 23:23, 20 February 2020 (UTC)
 * @User:IJBall: No aspersions here. I'm simply referring to your discussion with User:Hugsyrup immediately above. Modernponderer (talk) 08:19, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Which shows nothing of a "deliberate misuse" of AfD. So, no – assuming bad faith, and WP:ASPERSIONS, indeed. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 16:14, 22 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep or Draftify or Merge: I was under the impression that "Behind Enemy Lines" did air, as a TV movie. In fact, I thought I saw it! I've only just seen this nomination now, but would like to look into it and perhaps work on the article. There seem to be sufficient sources to pass WP:GNG at the very least, so "Keeping" or "Draftifying" for the moment doesn't seem too big an issue. Dflaw4 (talk) 08:18, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Question for Nominator: Hi, IJBall, could you please clarify your position for me, because I saw on the article's "Talk" page that you said the article should be "merged"? Here, however, you seem to be opting for a "delete" or a "redirect". If you could clear this up for me, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, Dflaw4 (talk) 08:28, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Honestly, any of "merge", "redirect" or "delete" is fine by me. Personally, I don't think the casting info for an unaired pilot – and to be clear, this did not ever air anywhere AFAICT, certainly not in the U.S. (there are Behind Enemy Lines "sequel" films that have been released, but they are unrelated to this TV pilot) – is important enough to "merge", but I understand if others disagree. But as per WP:TVSHOW, casting announcements for an unaired TV pilot are not enough to show notability for an article. (Generally, TV show notability is shown by a mix of articles on production, critical reviews, and sometimes analysis of themes or characters.) So, personally, I am more at "redirect" or "delete". --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:19, 25 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying, IJBall. This is confusing for me because, as I said, I thought I had seen it—I am probably mistaking it for something else, though I honestly thought I had seen it as a TV movie. I'll keep digging for a bit and see if there's anything else out there on it, and then I'll update my vote if necessary. Thanks again, Dflaw4 (talk) 14:15, 25 February 2020 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.