Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beijing Watch Factory


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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:17, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

Beijing Watch Factory

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Insufficient references and material to show notability  DGG ( talk ) 23:17, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:20, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


 * Delete Does not meet notability criteria for corporations (WP:SIRS). –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  23:23, 9 August 2021 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.  The abstract notes: "When the Beijing Watch Factory transformed its operating mechanism and implemented independent market-oriented management methods in 1992, its financial successes greatly improved. The watch factory is profiled."   The article notes: "Entering the grounds of the Beijing Watch factory is like stepping back a generation in time, to an era when a typical Chinese couple's idea of wealth was to own a bicycle, a sewing machine and a watch. ... But in the company showroom, the plain, staid watches of the communist decades are outshone by Beijing Watch's efforts to appeal to a new era of wealthy customers, people who might not blink at paying $16,000 for a luxury watch decorated with enamelled pandas. ... Some SOEs, such as Beijing Watch, were ordered to produce only watch parts to kick-start the export economy in the 1970s and 1980s, creating a gap in skills and status. The company is trying to master the technical precision and expertise at working precious metals." The article notes: "Beijing Watch infamously produced the commemorative watches commissioned by the Beijing city government as a reward for the soldiers who suppressed the Tiananmen Square demonstrations on June 4, 1989."   The article notes: "Beijing Watch Factory, which was established in 1958 as a state-owned enterprise, was privatised in 2004. It offers made in China movements that feature complications such as tourbillons and metiers d’art like “Su Xiu” embroidered dials."   The article notes: "The imposing statue of the late Chairman Mao Zedong still watches over the entrance of the Beijing Watch Factory in the Changping district in northern Beijing. ... Founded in 1958, the watchmaking firm was privatised in 2004. ... The watchmaker, which employs 610 staff, only makes mechanical watches - 10,000 in 2011, including several hundred extremely elaborate designs, and 800,000 movements. ... Production is destined exclusively for the Chinese market where demand for high-end products has exploded. A Beijing Watch tourbillon movement can cost from SFr5,700-69,000 ($6,000-72,200)."   From Google Translate: "Since 2006, Beijing Watch Factory has been exploring and developing its own brand of enamel watches. In the same year, it launched a limited edition of 28 "Beijing 2008" enamel double tourbillon watches, which combined the mechanical dynamics of the double tourbillons and the artistic expression of enamel. Perfect combination; in April 2007, Beijing Watch Factory brought the world's first enamel movement tourbillon watch "Butterfly Flower" to the Basel International Watch Fair."  <li> From Google Translate: "Reasons for winning Established and launched the famous "Type One" in 1958. In 1996, the first tourbillon watch in mainland China was successfully developed. In 2008, the tourbillon minute repeater was independently developed." </li> <li> The article notes: "Beijing Watch Factory (hereinafter referred to as "North Watch") was founded in June 1958. In 1995, North Watch independently developed its own tourbillon watch. In 2004, North Watch first released a limited edition tourbillon gold watch in rose gold, taking the lead among Chinese brands to enter the high-end watch market with precious metal appearance, highly complex tourbillon movement, limited edition and other elements." </li> <li> The article provides one sentence of coverage. The article notes, "Beijing Watch Factory, founded in 1958 and which until a few years ago was said still to polish its watches by hand, has a wide collection and sells a mechanical flying tourbillon for under £2,500, although it’s no Breguet." </li> <li>Wang, Kaihao. (2012-08-09). "The test of time" (pages 1 and 2). China Daily. Archived from the original (pages 1 and 2) on 2021-08-12. Retrieved 2021-08-12. The article notes: "The old Soviet-style Beijing Watch Factory was erected in Changping district more than 50 years ago. A giant statue of former chairman Mao Zedong stands at the front gate. ... Watch factories mushroomed nationwide in the following years and Beijing Watch Factory was founded in 1958. ... Xu says there were more than 3,000 employees at the factory in the early 1980s, and the only way you could get a job then was through personal connections." </li> <li> The book notes: "The commercial and industrial enterprises marriage-like merger. Beijing Dong'an Group (Industrial) merged with Beijing Watch Factory (Branch Two), following the principle of free will, mutual benefit and equal value exchange. The practice aroused great interest through China. Vice Premier Zhu Rongji praised: "It is a breakthrough." </li> <li> The article notes: "The Beijing Watch Factory evaded 850,000 yuan in industrial and commercial taxes in 1981 by falsifying its accounts in what the Beijing Tax Bureau called the worst case of tax evasion in the history of the People's Republic." The article notes in a footnote: "See Severely Handle the Question of Tax Evasion by the Beijing Watch Factory, Zhongguo Fazhi Bao (Chinese Legal Gazette), Jan. 28, 1983, at 1 [hereinafter cited as Beijing Watch Factory]." </li> <li> The book notes: "On May 3, for example, three workers were killed and sixty seriously hurt in scuffles between labor groups at the Beijing Watch Factory, located in a northern suburb. The factory was forced to suspend operations for two days until troops could restore order." </li> <li> The article notes: "On 9 June this year, your newspaper published a report on how the Beijing Watch Factory had turned from loss making into profit making." </li> <li>"Chinese watchmakers won't stop ticking" (pages 1, 2, 3, and 4). Xinhua News Agency. 2013-02-04. Archived from the original (pages 1, 2, 3, and 4) on 2021-08-12. Retrieved 2021-08-12 – via China Daily. The article notes: "Subsequent sales declines forced the Beijing Watch Factory to sublet most of its plants to neighboring factories. The company could not even afford to pay its workers. ... The Beijing Watch Factory, which was purchased by a local real estate developer, has taken a different route, choosing to develop high-end watches that they hope will take off among China's moneyed elite." </li> </ol>There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Beijing Watch Factory to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 06:34, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * These sources are not in the article. –– 𝗙𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗗𝘂𝗱𝗲  talk  19:25, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

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 * Comment: Pinging, who removed the proposed deletion. Cunard (talk) 06:34, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep thanks to the sources and analysis by Cunard above which establish notability. NemesisAT (talk) 13:20, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Cunard's analysis. 23.240.192.112 (talk) 19:15, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Withdraw on the basis of refs 1 2 4a nd 14. Most of others are notes (as Cunard recognizes, such as 8). (I can't actually close as Withdraw, because there's another delete.) I should have looked further on this one.  DGG ( talk ) 04:31, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep Per Cunard. Clearly notable with a variety of positive and negative coverage. Per WP:NEXIST, Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article Jumpytoo Talk 19:33, 14 August 2021 (UTC)


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