Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bekir Kaya


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus.  Sandstein  14:04, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

Bekir Kaya

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 * Queried speedy delete as copyright-violation of http://en.hdpeurope.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/BIOs_KurdishMayorsinPrison.pdf Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:27, 10 December 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep. I have written this article and asked why there was a deletion request. Apparently it was because of copyright issues; 44% of the text matched the text of the HDP website from where i really had most of the original content for the article. After I googled for other sources that confirm what is written on HDP. I rephrased most phrases but apparently 1 sentence stayed really the same and after the deletion request, I rephrased it. Other phrases I rephrased as well until reaching 33% on copyvio. 2 long phrases from my point of view were simply as good as they were and I changed only a few words. But on the Copyvio page it said that a violation is unlikely, and i thought this is enough then. Anyway the page got deleted. I appealed and thank you very much to Appleyard, the page reappeared. I deleted the 2 phrases now as well in order to get even a lower % on copyvio than before. I would reintroduce the info after completely rephrasing it, or find the information in an other webpage.
 * If someone else has an Idea how to improve the page, I would be thankful. Bekir Kaya is a rather influential and well known mayor and human rights lawyer of Van. He is in prison for alleged terror charges which in turkey are really easy to get. From my point of view if we can have board members of an university or a boxer who competed (according to the article he did not win anything) in the olympic games 1968 in wikipedia, we can include a mayor from almost any city as well.
 * Still I think a discussion could be made about what it means if on copyvio it is stated, that a violation is unlikely or what is the percentage that recommendable to be reached on copyvio? Maybe this info is already somewhere, but I did not find it, if someone could show where this info is I thank in advance.
 * With the very best regards,

--Lean Anael (talk) 01:33, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 04:20, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions.  CAPTAIN RAJU (T) 05:43, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. Copyvio aside, the subject appears to fail WP:NPOLITICIAN. We do not compare the article to others, please see WP:WHATABOUTX, it is judged on its own. Ifnord (talk) 03:01, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 11:56, 17 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep He appears to meet WP:GNG, and, in fact, WP:NPOL: "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage." (I see there is a lot more in Turkish., some in German, etc.) More references for the information would be good, but that is a matter of quality, not AfD. RebeccaGreen (talk) 19:53, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Meets WP:NPOL and has received significant coverage for passing the criteria. Anatoliatheo (talk) 12:23, 20 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   09:33, 25 December 2018 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: No clear consensus even after 2 relists
 * Delete: does not meet WP:NPOL / WP:ANYBIO; significant RS coverage not found. The coverage is routine and / or trivial; the crime does not appear to be significant either. Best deleted. K.e.coffman (talk) 05:54, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kpg  jhp  jm  07:10, 1 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete Probably should have been closed as no consensus by now, but fails WP:NPOL (mayors do not presumptively pass NPOL) and while it's borderline GNG I'm voting delete since it's still a copyright violation. SportingFlyer  talk  18:22, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete per above. The copyvio is not good.  Does not make NPOL Jip Orlando (talk) 22:08, 3 January 2019 (UTC)
 * keep just saw the votes here and and am beginning to overhaul. From my point of view he passes WP:NPOL. He may not be so well known in the west, but he is a rather influential politician and human rights lawyer. He and his conviction on grounds of having built a bridge as a Mayor is quite well known in the Kurdish community but also at human rights NGO`s. It is a unique and symbolic conviction to show how justice works under Erdogans Government. Lean Anael (talk) 15:46, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * Duplicate !votes are not permitted. Jip Orlando (talk) 16:54, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I did not want to duplicate my vote. I am sorry to have given to wrong impression. I just saw there was added a new deletion template (there were 2 different ones in the article until the deletion of the second), so I just wanted to state that I am on it overhauling it, and would appreciate if you waited until I have made an overhaul of the page until you decide. I have made now several changes. Copyvio should not apply anymore (I guess, I do not know how to check it), since I added several other sources and phrases. If someone, after having read the article after the recent changes and still thinks he was not an important politician according to WP:NPOL I would like to know why they think like this. He was elected twice, is a rather important figure in the peace process between Armenia and Turkey and there are plenty or articles about him from different news agencies in several languages from turkish/Kurdish over german/english to french/spanish/italian books exist, too in various languages like german, or english (other languages I leave out here, he was visited by a swiss parliamentary delegation in prison...I hope to have given you some more good arguments to vote keep. :) With the very best regards, Lean Anael (talk) 19:43, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
 * I have added a strikethrough to the word "keep" to avoid misleading the closer. For future reference, you are free to leave additional comments in deletion discussions, but you should generally bold the words "keep" or "delete" only once (they're sometimes called "!votes"). Mz7 (talk) 05:50, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep Ithink there's enough evidence to show his general notability.  DGG ( talk ) 05:25, 7 January 2019 (UTC)


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