Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bel-Air, Florida


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The result was   keep. Further discussion is highly encouraged on the article's talk page, but thus far there has been no consensus for deletion. Regards,   A rbitrarily 0    ( talk ) 21:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Bel-Air, Florida

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Have lived in Seminole County my whole life, and I have never heard to anyone refer to any area in Seminole County as Bel-Air. There is a lake called Bel-Air, but only a hand-full of people know about it. This location is 1) Not Notable, 2) Lacks Citations (which would not be able to be found), 3) is an uncommon reference, and 4) does not exist as a place or city within the American FactFinder maintained by the U.S. Census Bureau
 * Weak Keep, but not as a town. - It actually appears to be a historical grove, called the "Belair grove" owned by Henry Shelton Sanford The grove doesn't exist anymore and was probably developed long ago, hence the nom has never heard of it. This 1887 book about Florida agriculture calls it "famous as the birth-place of some new varieties, as well as the Belair Lemon, now so widely circulated." Other sources write of the grove too.  It probably should be re-named "Belair Grove."--Oakshade (talk) 00:17, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep Census-designated places are all notable. The article does not some modification, though. Dew Kane (talk) 01:21, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * It is not a Census Designated place, please read the logic. Look through the U.S. Census website, it not recognized as a place. Frank0051 (talk) 02:38, 13 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep According to the GNIS, Bel-Air is actually a neighborhood, and its coordinates place it within Sanford, Florida. (I've changed the article to reflect this.) Neighborhoods don't always deserve their own articles, and I'm not totally convinced we shouldn't just merge this into Sanford, but there appear to be a few other sources for this (mostly what Oakshade found for Belair grove, which seems to be the predecessor of the neighborhood). TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 04:14, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Do you see any reason why we should keep it as a non-notable neighborhood, as opposed to perhaps changing it to BelAir Grove or just plain deleting it? Frank0051 (talk) 23:51, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I have nothing against moving this to an article about Belair Grove, since there appear to be more sources about that. I'm not totally invested in keeping it as is; as I said, it's a weak keep, and even that's mostly because of the Belair Grove references. At the least, though, it should be redirected to Sanford since it is listed in the GNIS. TheCatalyst31 Reaction•Creation 00:04, 14 July 2010 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Florida-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 15:06, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Merge/Redirect to Sanford. If that is the situation, it is too non-notable for a standalone article. The city of Sanford does not recognize any neighborhoods on its website, and its only references to BelAir are to a street, BelAir Boulevard, and to the historic BelAir Grove referenced above. I was the one who contested the prod after finding Realtor references to it as a place, but apparently that was just Realtor talk. However, it was enough IMO to bring it to discussion instead of prodding it. --MelanieN (talk) 01:26, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.