Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belarus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was delete all, the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 article had been withdrawn from nomination. Sr13 07:27, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Belarus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008
Some sort of crystal ballism. Doesn't provide any help nor real meaninful information. I do not believe such an article is nesscery. Francisco Tevez 11:16, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

I am also nominating the following related pages because they all amount to crystal ballism and they lack WP:RS:
 * - withdrawn per Dr. Submillimeter ↓. Also it is somewhat sourced. --Evb-wiki 18:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Bundle added by --Evb-wiki 17:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also added by --Evb-wiki 02:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * - withdrawn per Dr. Submillimeter ↓. Also it is somewhat sourced. --Evb-wiki 18:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Bundle added by --Evb-wiki 17:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also added by --Evb-wiki 02:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * - withdrawn per Dr. Submillimeter ↓. Also it is somewhat sourced. --Evb-wiki 18:02, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Bundle added by --Evb-wiki 17:25, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also added by --Evb-wiki 02:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also added by --Evb-wiki 02:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also added by --Evb-wiki 02:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Also added by --Evb-wiki 02:57, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Maybe its too early for this kind of article.Sorry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.161.81.152 (talk • contribs)

Yes, please read Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Francisco Tevez 11:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. --Evb-wiki 15:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Note- a whole batch of pages on this subject under different country names has been created. The whole thing tells nothing and is all crystal ballism. Francisco Tevez 15:30, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They are all list here. Can we just nominate the entire category and everything in it? --Evb-wiki 15:34, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Okay. I will do that now. Francisco Tevez 15:39, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all apart from the main Eurovision Song Contest 2008 which easily has enough verifiable and sourced information to deserve to be kept. The other articles clearly run foul of WP:CRYSTAL but the main article as an event almost certain to take place and with plenty of good, referenced information in it should be an easy Keep. Davewild 17:52, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete all except Eurovision Song Contest 2008; Keep Eurovision Song Contest 2008 - The articles make no substantive comments on the 2008 contest at this time. Most of the material on 2008 is speculation and rumors.  The one exception is Eurovision Song Contest 2008, which can already say something about next year's arrangements for the contest and which contains some cited material.  Dr. Submillimeter 17:55, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * SPEEDILY CLOSE this batch nomination and process pages each by its own merit. This is extremely disruptive habit and often leads to mistakes and abuses, and a headache for closing admin. For example I find the story in Andorra in the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 interesting (and with reference). `'юзырь:mikka 18:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If they boycott there is no reason to have an article there, the information could perhaps be put in the 2007 article. We don't have an article about, say, Norway at the 1980 Summer Olympics (which they boycotted). Punkmorten 08:54, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Eurovision Song Contest 2008; Keep Eurovision Song Contest 2008 Apart from the main article, the other articles have all been created by the same user, who seems to have a history of unconstructive edits. The main article, Eurovision Song Contest 2008, is a different story as it is a major event (the most watched tv-show in Europe as far as I know) and certain to take part. Apart from the main article, all the other articles are just crystal ball speculations and/or original research regarding which countries might or might not participate. JdeJ 20:23, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course, when someone adds a section like Countries which could theoretically debut to the Eurovision Song Contest 2008 article, it makes me want to renominate it. --Evb-wiki 01:18, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I can sympathise with that feeling, but with any luck that article should quieten down a bit in the next while as people realise that the "wouldn't it be interesting if..." scenarios will keep getting removed and that really what we'll see in 2008 will be a continuation of the same old thing that we know and love. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 09:10, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all of the currently-active articles listed here (that is, all bar the one on the 2008 Contest itself). Such information as there is (Andorra is the only country with anything substantive written) can be moved to the "[Country] in the Eurovision Song Contest" articles. In Andorra's case, that would actually be a very good idea, since the claim of withdrawal rumours is - I believe - unsourced there. The other entries are pretty much cookie-cutter articles which are full of unsourced speculation and should only really be created 6+ months from now when the expected national finals start taking place. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 05:36, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried to make the Andorra article more objective and added a reference to try and make the article better. To be fair, Andorra is the only country I know anything about. However it's still mostly speculation (although not as bad as it was a week ago) and if people want to delete it that's ok by me. I'd keep the main ESC08 article though as there's a lot of sourced info, but I wish people would stop listing endless lists of countries without any refs. Also someone's put on the main page that Slovakia is a definite for 2008. As far as I'm aware STV's position is they'd like to take part, but need to secure their budget before they commit themselves. So someone has knowingly made the article false - and also not provided a reference. CKnight16 15:37, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Music-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 10:14, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Netherlands-related deletions.   -- John Vandenberg 10:16, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete at the minute, reinstate in a few months It may all seem specualtion at the minute but as time gets nearer towards the 2008 ESC, countries acts and performances will become clearer. In thrre or four months all thse will become good articles, but until then its simply crystall balling — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:Skeggy_tom (talk • contribs)
 * Delete all except Eurovision Song Contest 2008; Keep Eurovision Song Contest 2008 This page is well sourced and written. Yes, i know i wrote it, but i agree with all other pages being deleted. Just leave this one. ¡иąтнąи! | Talk | [mailto:nathan@simpedia.co.uk Email]| 17:18, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete all except Eurovision Song Contest 2008 - Currently they are just speculations with very limited verification. Also, the more established Eurovision Song Contest 2008 and X Country in the Eurovision Song Contest articles can easily take most of the notable information at this time. Camaron1 | Chris 18:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete them all, except Eurovision Song Contest 2008. Eurovisiocruft. —♦♦ SʘʘTHING  (Я)  07:53, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Do NOT delete Eurovision Song Contest 2008, just overprotect it. Select just one member or a couple of members to update the page and/or delete everything that have no sources Tony0106 21:46, 25 June 2007 (UTC-4)


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