Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belial (band)


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The result was   delete. The arguments that the two members of Impaled Nazarene being shared makes this group notable founder on the rocks of WP:NOTINHERITED. The Bushranger One ping only 00:02, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Belial (band)

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No indication of meeting notability guidelines. Only sources given show it existed, but nothing to show any significance. Google searches not finding anything significant. noq (talk) 17:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete, indeed nothing significant on the web. De728631 (talk) 18:39, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

"Is an ensemble which contains two or more independently notable musicians" Contains Reima Kellokoski and Jarno Anttila both of which have spent several years in Impaled Nazarene, Finland's biggest Black Metal band which has 100,000+ views on youtube videos and many in high 10,000s. They both feature in these videos and music. Drummermean (talk) 18:24, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * When copying from this articles talk page you omitted my response - Appearing in a notable band does not automatically make them independently notable noq (talk) 23:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Jarno Anttila and Reima Kellokoski played guitars and drums, respectively, in the album, Pro Patria Finlandia, which was the top album import of Japan. http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=54794 . It also entered the national album chart in Finland at position No. 38.
 * This is not an article about Impaled Nazarene - so why is this relevant? noq (talk) 23:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This is certainly an article about Impaled Nazarene, as it bears the title: IMPALED NAZARENE: 'Pro Patria Finlandia' Tops Japanese 'Import' Album Chart - July 8, 2006. Drummermean (talk) 23:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

"Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable and are independent from the musician or ensemble itself" Discogs.com: http://www.discogs.com/label/Lethal+Records+%286%29: Lethal Records lists Belial and their published work which is independent http://www.moribundcult.com/releases.html: The official Moribund Cult record label which also has a wikipedia page, lists Belial's work here. Drummermean (talk) 18:31, 17 June 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drummermean (talk • contribs)

Edit: Drummermean (talk) 20:29, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

In addition to two or more independently notable musicians: When searching Reima's alias, 'Repe Misanthrope', around 600,000 results appear in Google as he is search a well known drummer. He has contributed to much of Impaled Nazarene's song-writing, as can be viewed in wikipedia articles.


 * This is not an article about Impaled Nazarene, why is this relevant? And as has been pointed out on the talk page previously, the discogs and moribund links are purely directory listings and not significant coverage. noq (talk) 23:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Similarly, Jarno yields 100,000s of views. He has also contributed to much of Impaled Nazarene's song writing which can also be viewed from sources. Jarno recently left Impaled Nazarene and attained a lot of coverage, such as by Roadrunner Records http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=143118, who are probably the biggest record label for metal and rock music. Drummermean (talk) 20:44, 17 June 2012 (UTC) (duplicate signature removed)


 * This is not an article about Impaled Nazarene. Or Jarno. noq (talk) 23:19, 17 June 2012 (UTC)


 * What are you referring to? http://legacy.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=143118 is completely about both subjects. It bears the title: 	IMPALED NAZARENE Parts Ways With Guitarist, Announces New Album Title - July 17, 2010 Drummermean (talk) 23:45, 17 June 2012 (UTC) Drummermean (talk) 23:48, 17 June 2012 (UTC)
 * This discussiion is about Belial - references about another band do nothing to establish the notability of Belial. noq (talk) 06:35, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * In accordance to notability, two or more independently notable musicians:

Jarno Anttila has produced independently notable tracks for Impaled Nazarene. He was involved with an album which was the top album import of Japan and entered the national album chart in Finland at position No. 38 (see above for links). When he recently parted way with the band, he had many news articles bearing his name. One example, as well with the one above, is: http://www.metalunderground.com/news/details.cfm?newsid=58016 Reima Kellokoski has also produced independently notable tracks for Impaled Nazarene. He was involved with an album which was the top album import of Japan and entered the national album chart in Finland at position No. 38 (see above for links). Drummermean (talk) 12:58, 18 June 2012 (UTC) Drummermean (talk) 13:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * If you read to the end of the criteria - "Note that members of notable bands are redirected to the band's article, not given individual articles, unless they have demonstrated individual notability for activity independent of the band, such as solo releases. Members of two notable bands are generally notable enough for their own article." Being in a notable band does not automatically make you notable! Your metalunderground link just shows he left a notable group - that does not make him individually notable anymore than joining the group does. As I keep saying, this debate is about Belial - your arguments have all been about Impaled Nazarene. noq (talk) 14:05, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Finland-related deletion discussions. — Frankie (talk) 21:14, 18 June 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete The main argument for inclusion here seems to be that since Belial shares two members of Impaled Nazarene then it meets the inclusion criteria as it "contains two or more independently notable musicians". Unfortunately, the individuals in question do not appear to have any independent notability outside of Impaled Nazarene at the present time. Youtube, Google and Discogs are NOT reliable sources. Fails WP:BAND. — sparklism  hey! 13:59, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
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