Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Beliefs and ideology of Osama bin Laden


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. John254 01:37, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Beliefs and ideology of Osama bin Laden

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 * DeleteThis looks like an attempt to fork the Osama bin Laden article and get some good old fashioned non-neutral jabs at him. Some of this is trivial and the rest belongs on the main article. DJ Clayworth (talk) 21:09, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment this is not attempting fork anything. "the rest belongs on the main article" no, because the main article is long, and due to standard article size, this info cannot be merged in the article. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 21:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep the article Osama bin Laden is at present 52 KB long. To maintain wikipedia's standard article size, i.e. around 32 KB, these huge info cannot be merged. I found no cause behind this nomination. What is the reason behind "fork", fork is not applied here. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 21:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "Some of this is trivial" I got confused with such statement. There is nothing "trivial" here. The article documents the ideology of a notable person. Otolemur crassicaudatus (talk) 21:16, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Strong keep. The main article is too long.  If you take a look there is an Osama bin Laden nav box at the bottom which tracks all the branches.  If you find the branch to have too much POV, then edit the branch, don't delete the branch.  There are multiple constraints here, one of which is article size, the other is need to retain useful content, the third is to keep content NPOV.  Deleting doesn't serve any of these objectives.  Only editing the POV content serves this objective. Erxnmedia (talk) 21:57, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep &mdash; it is not clear to me that this is an inherently POV fork of the parent article. It seems clear that, given the wide variety of scholarship on this issue, that one could write a neutral article on this topic.  Current non-neutrality, real or imagined, is a reason for clean-up, not deletion. --Haemo (talk) 22:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep. If there is any contemporary individual who deserves an entire article to his ideology it is bin Laden. Complies with WP:SS, not a fork but a breakout of a substantial subtopic. It is possitlbe that not all the article is WP:NPOV or even fully WP:V, but that is editing. --Dhartung | Talk 23:35, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


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