Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belinda (Cape Verdean singer)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus. Black Kite (talk) 19:17, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Belinda (Cape Verdean singer)

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The article barely passes WP:A7 as she won "Miss Black Rhode Island", and then what? Is she notable? Did her albums make her to pass WP:BAND? Does she has any chance to became something else than a stub-article? Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it! See terms and conditions.  23:25, 4 October 2013 (UTC)
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 * Delete. I was able to establish that the subject exists, but that's about it. No coverage or other indication of encyclopedia relevance found. --Michig (talk) 06:21, 5 October 2013 (UTC)
 * User:Michig perhaps could I ask you please to try again your search in Portuguese language but for "Belinda Lima", looking particularly in Angolan and Cape-Verde press sources. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:41, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I found a few short articles in ASemana, a couple of press releases, and a TV item that probably wouldn't be considered significant coverage. Not sure there's really enough to support an article. If you have examples of a few articles that would make a convincing case for notability I would be happy to reconsider. --Michig (talk) 06:14, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Weak keep - She might not meet general notable guidelines. However, she was able to release one album and win the beauty contest. Cape Verde is an island country, as Gibraltar is a small territory. Same with Hong Kong. The fact she went back to Cape Verde after years of American residency proves that she must be researched in non-English sources, most probably offline. Her "notability" does not end now, and it will not end in 100 years. --George Ho (talk) 20:49, 7 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Then go to Cape Verde and prove her notability with offline references. I will tell you what somebody told me at DYK once: "Since you have asked us to take what we have been given, we will do just that: unfortunately, in the article's present state that is insufficient for listing on DYK, so the nomination will be closed shortly", and I will reword it to an AFD perspective: IIO created the article about a real person who won an award, small, but award. He is presenting this to the reader, but being coherent, how many of the articles created by IIO have been expanded to start/C/B/GA/FA/FL status? I haven't checked his creations, but I'm sure that less than a few have done so. If this is all Wikipedia will present to a reader, the best is not to present it, because the article adds nothing to the project. It is just about a real person who was considered the best "black" person from RI and released a few albums from an unknown record label, they never charted, and that's it.
 * Notability is not about "she won a [trivial] contest, therefore she is a heroine in Cape Verde", notability is about five simple points: coverage, reliability, references, independence and presumtion, and the article doesn't pass any of them and you recognized it. "She released one album", and what? Anyone can release an album and because of that they deserve a page? Notability is not inherited in either side. If the album is notable, but she doesn't WP:A9 may apply. Also, coming from a small country, which seems to be your "strong" point, still trivial. C Kunalan comes from Singapore and demostrates notability, Agatha Barbara comes from Malta and demostrates notability, Rolando and Arménio Vieira comes from Cape Verde and demostrate notability. Belinda doesn't demostrate notability, and if she is in fact notable ask someone from the country to demostrate through offline references that they demostrate she is notable.
 * Your "keep" !vote, as the way it is formulated, reads "She is not notable, but she comes from a small country, and people from small countries have no opportunity to shine like other countries, so let's give her a chance to have an article as offline sources possibly exist". You didn't come here because you believe the article deserves to be kept, but because it was a creation of IIO and, therefore, there's nothing wrong with it. This is demostrated with the line "She might not meet general notable guidelines" and the comparison with other AFDs you participated, called Articles for deletion/Joseph Dunn (journalist) or Articles for deletion/Danielle Frye, among others. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  22:15, 7 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Delete. Mostly per Michig. Aside from the single Portuguese-language interview cited in the article, I have not found any other significant coverage of this person. Also, not that it necessarily matters a great deal, but there is no article on this person in the Portuguese-language Wikipedia. Dohn joe (talk) 22:41, 7 October 2013 (UTC)
 * As per Michig, you need to search for "Belinda Lima" cantora cabo-verdiana. And as for pt.wp not having an article, that is irrelevant, pt.wp lacks many articles on Brazilian and Portuguese singers, let alone Cape Verde and Angola. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - per Cape Verde and Angola newspaper coverage Portuguese language Cape Verde press mentions. Also Cape Verde radio and TV coverage, e.g. "Belinda Lime" hits on Cape Verde national TV station website. Also per WP:WORLDVIEW. In ictu oculi (talk) 01:49, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * (On a procedural note, would also have to note that the nomination itself is seriously misleading in citing "WP:A7 as she won "Miss Black Rhode Island" which is an irrelevant piece of trivia for an article labelled (Cape Verdean singer), mentioned in passing in only one of the Cape Verdean newspaper mentions which discuss her as Cape Verdean singer) In ictu oculi (talk) 01:56, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I clicked the first link "Portuguese language Cape Verde press mentions". I get 40 page results, the most reliable or trustable are interview and news about a performance, the rest are blogs, false positives, quasi copyvio-videos of her and illegal download links, and some of them are labeled as "dubious" or "dangerous" by McAfee. In the second link I get 11 links of the same video by rtc. WP:WORLDVIEW is an essay, not a policy. The question is, why Wikipedia needs an article about a woman who is likely to get no further notability than a stub article and how three or four references satisfy WP:BAND and most important WP:GNG? Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  03:30, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry Tbhotch but these AfDs are beginning to look WP:POINTY and possible misuse of the AfD mechanism. How is that proportion different from making the same search for Miley Cyrus? The official Angolan government press agency, the main Cape Verde TV station and newspaper are reliable sources. WP:CRYSTAL is irrelevant since these sources are 2006-2010. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:58, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Because it is more than obvious that if you compare Belinda Lima with Miley Cyrus, Cyrus passes WP:BAND points #1 to #12, while Belinda passes none. If I Google Miley Cyrus I don't get the same video repeated 11 times, I get 1,090,000,000 results, and the mechanism of AFD is "where Wikipedians discuss whether an article should be deleted", not whatever you intended to say. Tb hotch .™ Grammatically incorrect? Correct it!  See terms and conditions.  04:25, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * See above. In ictu oculi (talk) 05:22, 8 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Keep - plenty of sources exist, per WP:SIGCOV, albeit in Portuguese. Bearian (talk) 17:43, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 02:38, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

 
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 03:59, 20 October 2013 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.