Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belize national under-20 football team


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The result was keep. If someone wants to, the other team articles can be nominated grouped together. (non-admin closure) — Yashtalk stalk 04:40, 11 May 2017 (UTC)

Belize national under-20 football team

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I can't find material to verify the existence of a Belize national under-20 football team. There is no mention of one, in particular, on the website of the asserted parent organization, the Football Federation of Belize, at http://www.belizefootball.bz/, though they do have links for U-17 and U-15 that lead to content-free pages. Largoplazo (talk) 22:25, 4 May 2017 (UTC) Nomination withdrawn. Largoplazo (talk) 13:35, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Follow-up I forgot to mention that even if this is verified, notability remains an issue. Largoplazo (talk) 14:12, 5 May 2017 (UTC)

Note: The author of the article has created similar under-20 football team articles for Anguilla, St. Kitts and Nevis, and Sudan. Largoplazo (talk) 22:26, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Largoplazo (talk) 22:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Belize-related deletion discussions. Largoplazo (talk) 22:52, 4 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete - I see no evidence this team actually exists. Power~enwiki (talk) 06:41, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Speedy keep - Competed in qualifying for the 2015 championship, the 2013 one, and earlier years as well. If nominator had bothered to do WP:BEFORE, they would have seen that. Smartyllama (talk) 12:40, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * And here are reliable sources for St. Kitts and Nevis and Anguila and for Sudan. This is why WP:BEFORE exists. Smartyllama (talk) 12:43, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * 1. I know why WP:BEFORE exists. See my first sentence, above, particularly the first few words. I didn't find these when I looked. 2. Do any of these links demonstrate notability? Largoplazo (talk) 13:08, 5 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone  12:01, 6 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - highest level of youth football in Belize, notable. GiantSnowman 15:29, 6 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - absurd nomination. A quick look at the last CONCACAF U-20 Championship qualifying shows Belize has a U-20 team (even if they did withdraw)—2017 CONCACAF U-20 Championship qualifying. St. Kitts and Anguilla can also be found. I'm puzzled why it would even cross anyone's mind that they wouldn't have a U-20 team. And then, why wouldn't one click on "What links here" and see in seconds all the links to the various tournaments they have been in. Or look in the Spanish version of the language, to see what they have participated in? This is a complete failure of WP:BEFORE. I'm also curious how User:Power~enwiki managed to endorse this - which makes me question the other AFDs he voted on, without much time to consider the topic. Nfitz (talk) 04:20, 7 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - A simple google search shows a large amount of information on this team. I note specific coverage in Belize media including:
 * Article on 2014 U20 World Cup Qualifier
 * Further brief article on U20 World Cup qualifying
 * Lengthy 2010 report on match versus Nicaragua
 * Clearly notable national level football team regularly receiving coverage in own country's media. Would assume a more sophisticated search of local sources would reveal more. Fenix down (talk) 09:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep - the above votes have illustrated it well enough, this Belizean team has competed at professional international youth matches thus making it valid to keep the article. Sure the article is REALLY bad but deletion is not cleanup and the article can always be improved upon. Inter&#38;anthro (talk) 12:32, 8 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment - good grief, after a monumental WP:BEFORE failure on the very existence of the team, User:Largoplazo, instead of apologizing in wake of a clear snow keep, has left in place the claim that notability is an issue, despite Fenix's excellent research above showing extensive media coverate. I just can't comprehend that anyone could possess such gall and chutzpah, for not even trying to Google News it first. With 1,580 results, there must be some more there to prove notability. As one would expect in a football-mad country. Shameless. Nfitz (talk) 06:42, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Wringing your hands to the very end, are you? (Note to others: This is in the context of a side discussion.) I forgot that I'd added that additional line under my nomination and overlooked it when I withdrew my nomination. So, my simple acknowledgement of my error on the nomination evidently not being enough to stop this, I learn from you that my latest sin is that I didn't withdraw my nomination in a way that pleases you. And you're the one who told me to move on. You're behaving like I've single-handedly destroyed Wikipedia. Give it a rest. Also, a deletion discussion isn't an appropriate venue for carrying out a vendetta. Largoplazo (talk) 09:57, 9 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Not much to say really, other than the mis-use of the word vendetta - which means "prolonged and bitter feud", not "fleeting cutting sarcasm". If you want, we could discuss further on your talk - but I don't see the point. Nfitz (talk) 06:56, 10 May 2017 (UTC)


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