Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bell-Grave


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The result was delete. Malcolmxl5 (talk) 01:18, 13 March 2018 (UTC)

Bell-Grave

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Subject lacks significant coverage in reliable sources. Meatsgains (talk) 03:45, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
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 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Delete or redirect (if so, where)?
 * leaning keep delete Should be moved to Bell grave culture, but there is scholarly literature on it. Not sure how much interest there is, though, or whether the notion is widely accepted. Mangoe (talk) 16:03, 27 February 2018 (UTC) Given discussion below any article on the culture can be created ex nihilo without reference to this vestigial thing. Mangoe (talk) 22:34, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete or redirect somewhere: For a two-sentence article, this manages to be impressively bad. There certainly does seem to be a Bell-Grave culture - a late variant in southern Poland of the Pomeranian culture, more usually known in English as the Cloche Grave culture. The Bell-Beaker culture, to which the article equates it, is better known as the Beaker culture, and was about two thousand years earlier than the Pomeranian culture. PWilkinson (talk) 22:53, 1 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete. Clearly this is not an encyclopedic article. It is merely two completely uncited sentences that make little sense. Softlavender (talk) 05:47, 2 March 2018 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TheSandDoctor (talk) 01:58, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep -- Seems to be the subject of pretty much scholarly discussion. See here e.g..  It's a big deal in Polish archeology, see this GBooks search.  Although this article equates the Bell Grave culture with the Beaker culture, that seems to be an error.  That was the only likely redirect candidate and it's not actually appropriate.  Hence this K. 192.160.216.52 (talk) 18:21, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete per WP:TNT. No sources, and some of the information in this very short unsourced blurb is wrong. If someone wants to do a WP:HEY here it seems possible - but as is there is nothing worth saving.Icewhiz (talk) 19:43, 7 March 2018 (UTC) Also worth noting several sources equate this with Lusatian culture and Pomeranian culture (as a transient) - which we have articles for. So content fork concerns as well. Possibly worth redirecting to one of them or to Pomeranian culture which does cover the bell shaped burials. It is probably mainly referred to as such by Polish digging archaeologists based on morphology in digs.Icewhiz (talk) 19:50, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - I don't see an article about historic burial customs beyond Burial; if this were about the burials themselves I could see a !voting keep or for a redirect to that article. As this article seems to be about a culture named for a burial practice, I don't see enought material that differentiates it from Pomeranian culture. But as "Bell-Grave" doesnt' seem to be a useful search term for the Bell Grave culture, I'd say delete. I see no reason to prejudice against a redirect from "Bell Grave culture" to "Pomeranian culture" nor, possibly, an article about Bell graves. If someone cleaned this article up in either direction, that could be fine, but I see little reason for this article under this title to not be deleted. Smmurphy(Talk) 21:56, 7 March 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete. The name of this culture in Polish is pl:kultura grobów kloszowych, which is translated both as Bell Grave culture and Cloche Grave culture. Based on the Polish article and those searches I do think there is an encyclopaedic subject here, but this isn't a good start: it's a stub, awkwardly-titled, unreferenced, and conflates the subject with the entirely unrelated Bell Beaker culture. It would be easier to start the article over from scratch and I don't see any point in keeping a redirect with this title. –&#8239;Joe (talk) 23:02, 7 March 2018 (UTC)


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