Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bell 525 Relentless crash


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The result was keep. Consensus that LASTING is met due to the ongoing changes that occurred from the crash Nosebagbear (talk) 21:51, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

Bell 525 Relentless crash

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Helicopter crashes are quite common and this was a test flight. WP:NOTNEWS. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 21:06, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
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 * Delete a prototype helicopter crashes during testing, hardly noteworthy or that unusual and not notable for stand-alone article. Already covered sufficiently in Bell 525 Relentless. MilborneOne (talk) 21:15, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I specifically took the details of the crash out of Bell 525 Relentless; please review if the detail remaining is still adequate. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 21:17, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep this one has WP:LASTING coverage. 2017, 2018 and 2019 so WP:NOTNEWS is not the guideline for this article. Also because it was a prototype the ramifications of the crash and it's causes are notable. Wm335td (talk) 21:18, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I also wanted to add the NTSB made a recommendation to require FDR/CVR for prototype aircraft arising from this crash, so it could be kept as a precedent-setting crash. Cheers, Mliu92 (talk) 21:32, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Please do. I find it notable. It passes our guidelines per my !vote. Wm335td (talk) 21:43, 28 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Keep - It does appear this accident resulted in changes to the way prototype flight tests are conducted, with FDR/CVR becoming mandatory. Regarding effects on Bell Helicopter and the aviation industry, Vertical Magazine called its story on the NTSB findings (in 2018, two years after the crash) one of its top 10 biggest stories of 2018. Also, a deep-dive 2018 story by Rotor & Wing International notes that this was a crash during development of the first commercial helicopter with a fly-by-wire FCS, and ties that to the NTSB's found causes (this may be worth adding into the article). If kept, it may be worth renaming to Bell 525 Relentless prototype crash since it is unlikely to be the only accident ever of this type, but appears (at least for now) to be the only fatal accident of a prototype. Shelbystripes (talk) 22:01, 28 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - meets WP:GNG and has had a lasting effect on flight testing. I think that the assertion "it is only a prototype" is bogus, as most prototype crashes have some lasting effect, if only to "stop being stupid and never let that pile of P** fly ever again".--Petebutt (talk) 02:27, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep - Definitely meets WP:GNG, and has had a lasting effect on flight testing. The details are important, but section was overwhelming the type article, hence this was a valid reason to spilt the information off to its own article. - BilCat (talk) 20:13, 29 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Concur that this is an important point. The crash and its repercussions were massively impactful on the type’s development, and if there was enough information to justify spinning off a separate article, obviously we shouldn’t then delete the separate article. Shelbystripes (talk) 22:16, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   21:41, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: I don't think the fact that it was a test flight is relevant to the question of notability. XL Airways Germany Flight 888T is a good example of a test flight crash that was both newsworthy and important for flight safety. I concur with the other "Keep" voters. Dflaw4 (talk) 08:38, 7 February 2020 (UTC)


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