Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bell Tower (band)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. – Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 01:26, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Bell Tower (band)

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Newley formed band with two claimed recent EP releases on a nn label. However all the references link to twitter, myspace and one apparent magazine article. I don't see this passing WP:BAND Passportguy (talk) 21:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The Twitter and MySpace refferences are confirmed with a Beat Route article refference and a show date listed on The Marquee Room's official webpage. All refernces are valid.

Element014 (talk) 21:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Twitter and MySpace are not reliable sources. The Beat Route source is decent, but the rest are not. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • (Many otters • One bat • One hammer) 21:37, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I cited MySpace because the music was first released via MySpace. Most legitimate bands use MySpace, and in this case, Bell Tower's MySpace has information relevant to a Wikipedia article. It might not put the article any closer to meeting standards but it still allows the page to contain supported information that someone reading it may want to know. Element014 (talk) 22:26, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions.  -- TexasAndroid (talk) 00:05, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * References have been revised to include better sources. An article in regards to Sled Island music festival, and CBC Radio3 have been used to varify the information on the page. Element014 (talk) 01:44, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete, article fails to establish notability per WP:MUSIC. And dear Lord, what was up with all those lines!!!!!!   Esradekan Gibb    "Klat" 11:06, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Article establishes notability by citing Beat Route magazine. Not to mention CBC radio3 and Sled Island. That is 3 reliables sources. The subject has been published several times.

Element014 (talk) 13:00, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Comment: The only criteria for notability at WP:MUSIC that Bell Tower come close to meeting is no. 1: "Has been the subject of multiple non-trivial published works whose source is independent from the musician or ensemble itself and reliable". Beat Route magazine is the only such source. The Sled Island article is essentially an advertisement for a gig, and therefore does not qualify. The CBC Radio 3 site appears to be one where musicians upload their own music, and is therefore not independent from the band. Mr_pand [ talk | contributions ] 13:56, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * As far as I know, Bands have to go through an approval process to get a Radio3 acount with the CBC. From what I can tell all of the music uploaded is licenced to CBC Radio3 for broadcast purposes. That may make this article eligible for more notability criteria Kinty500 (talk) 15:27, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep: After a little digging I've gotten confirmation from CBC that the songs on Bell Tower's Radio3 page have been licenced to them for broadcast. I have a copy of the licence agreement if anyone is interested in giving it a read. (I'll post it on my discussion page)Kinty500 (talk) 18:10, 2 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've added Exclaim Magazine to the references. They confirm that Sled Island will feature Bell Tower Kinty500 (talk) 18:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * A mention in what is essentially an advertisement article does not count towards notability. Also, the CBC Radio3 license agreement does not mean much on its own. It still seems to me that anyone can upload music/add their band to the site. Also, the music has to be uploaded by the band so the source is not independent. Mr_pand [ talk | contributions ] 21:44, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * The Exclaim article is titled "News" which I don't consider advertising. Exclaim is independent from both the band and the music festival. The License agreement makes me consider CBC Radio3 a reliable sourse, it may not be independent from the band but it is still reliable.

Kinty500 (talk) 22:26, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I've repaired the Eplace link, it now works.
 * Kinty500 (talk) 13:24, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment: a) What makes this source reliable? b) Notability cannot be established merely by gig listings (e.g. Exclaim/Off The Dial etc.). Have a read of WP:Band. I like your determination, and I will always support articles for notable bands, but at the moment my vote stands at delete. Mr_pand [ talk | contributions ] 14:36, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * a) I consider CBC reliable because it's a government hosted webpage which has gotten the band to accept a legal agreement. b) I'm aware Exclaim and Off the dial are gig listing, I posted them as a confirmation of the comment on the page about the respective shows. I think an alternative to deletion would be much more suitable, there is obviously quite a bit of information on this band available, a few notes on the page possibly... Or we could add a tag asking for more citation. I don't think deletion is necessary.


 * Kinty500 (talk) 21:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak Keep - Found reliable enough sources for the band to not be deleted, hardly any reliable sources are out there, however. DeletionMojoMan (talk) 00:30, 6 June 2009 (UTC) Note: CU confirmed sockpuppet of indef blocked user. Mango juice talk 17:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, BJ Talk 09:13, 6 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete. It doesn't appear that the band meets WP:BAND and I can't find any sources that would establish general notability. Rnb (talk) 14:11, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Note to closing admin: Kinty500 and Element014 have been blocked for sockpuppetry. Bjweeks had removed all their comments and the responses of others but I have restored them, it should not interfere with a proper conclusion of this debate.  Note also, if this article is deleted, Bell Tower should be changed back from a disambiguation page; I volunteer to do so.  Mango juice talk 17:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. This band just formed in January, plays locally, has a local, minor label, and a couple of EP's.  It's been profiled once in a local magazine.  They are not ready for Wikipedia coverage: most of the sources are merely confirmations of specific gigs: you can tell this is more of a band resume than an article when gigs at which the group is one of dozens of groups performing are given the level of emphasis they are. Mango juice talk 17:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - reluctantly, because I've worked on the article and tried to improve it, but, despite best efforts, I don't see sufficient coverage to establish notability per WP:BAND. Hopefully this can be userfied somewhere and re-created if they get a mag write-up or something.  Chzz  ►  12:12, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete. In spite of effort, notability has not been established.  Dawn Bard (talk) 20:42, 11 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.