Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bello Bako Dambatta


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The result was keep. Eddie891 Talk Work 14:52, 31 October 2021 (UTC)

Bello Bako Dambatta

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Lack of notability. Sources in article include one extremely passing mention (dailytrust), an unreliable site (answers.com, basically a wiki), and BLERF, a who's who of Nigeria, which boasts on their about page of "the biographical information of over one million distinguished Nigerians": this info is collected by people sending their CV to the site (e.g. at the bottom of Dambatta's page, "“Please send your updated CV to: info@blerf.org” – Editor"). There are no Google News sources and just 41 regular Google sources where this article is the best I could find. Fram (talk) 08:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 08:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Nigeria-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 08:04, 15 October 2021 (UTC)


 * As the author of this article and having worked in Nigeria, I am well aware that getting good sources is very difficult, but we do need to add articles about people and places in Nigeria. Vice Chancellors of universities are, I think, always found to be notable, particular for established universities. Bayero University is now well established. As author I clearly want this article to be kept, but if the consensus goes against me, could it be moved to draft? The last article I wrote was moved to draft as I was writing it, and later accepted. --Bduke (talk) 08:19, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Does Nigerian higher education run on the commonwealth model, where the vice-chancellor is the top "real" post at a university? If so, and if the statement could be reliably sourced, then the subject likely meets WP:NPROF C6. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 10:31, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, the system is very much like the British system, which as you say is common across the commonwealth. I am not sure how to source that however. It has always been the system in Nigeria with the first university, Ibadan, set up by the British in, I think, 1948. --Bduke (talk) 22:55, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The problem with this link - https://allafrica.com/stories/199908310285.html - is that I can not find a source that says he was Vice-Chancellor for a second term. Can we use that source to say that and his removal from the post? --Bduke (talk) 23:27, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete unless sourcing can be significantly improved. Bduke's AllAfrica link convinces me that he does pass WP:PROF. But the one verifiable fact in the article (that he was removed as vice-chancellor) is not enough to make an article. As well as being notable, articles must be verifiable and we don't currently have that. In particular, I don't think the blerf and answers links in the article are reliable, and the dailytrust one has no nontrivial coverage of the subject. —David Eppstein (talk) 00:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have just discovered that later in life he was professor of chemistry at Leeds University in UK. The problem is getting good sources. Can anyone help me? I'm getting too old to do this stuff quickly!! --Bduke (talk) 00:18, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * The Leeds University web pages remove all details of people when they retire so there is no mention of him being there although he was there for 20 years. I now recall that I had this problem several years ago for someone else. --Bduke (talk) 00:26, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * This link tells is that he was there - https://www.linkedin.com/in/bello-dambatta-00769088/ - is linkedin a good source? --Bduke (talk) 00:36, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. I have added some references. While more references would be good, I think this article should now be kept.--Bduke (talk) 07:13, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * You added linkedin as the single new reference. I really don't think that is reliable enough to satisfy my issues above with verifiability. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:55, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * , perhaps the Wayback Machine has archived old university pages concerning his appointment as vice-chancellor? Russ Woodroofe (talk) 09:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep –It's difficult to find Nigerian sources to substantiate his position as the Vice Chancellor of Bayero University between 1995 and 1999. I however found this Vanguard (Nigeria) source which describes him as one of the past vice chancellors still in the university and then an entry in Newswatch Who's Who compilation which is highly suggestive of notability.
 *  Princess of Ara  19:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment. The vice-chancellor dates in the article appear to be wrong, per this university history site  (they should be 1995-99).  The book Building The Citadel: Thirty Years Of University Education In Kano supports that another person was vice-chancellor during the dates currently listed in the article.  Having such a crucial detail mistaken does not give confidence! Russ Woodroofe (talk) 16:59, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * OK. I will fix that later today - it is early morning here. --Bduke (talk) 22:42, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
 * I have fixed the dates. --Bduke (talk) 08:37, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – filelakeshoe (t / c) 🐱 08:35, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Weak keep. The vice chancellorship passes WP:NPROF C6.  While it is a slender reed to build an article upon, the university history page plus the coverage in the university newletter publication (as the first vice chancellor chosen under a new system) makes it not completely trivial.  The BLERF who's who page, while not great, is also not that much worse than a professional home page for sourcing basic career details.  (It is not sufficient for sourcing a claim to notability, but we have other sources for that.)  The page needs work, but is at least not overly promotional, and WP:DINC. Russ Woodroofe (talk) 14:31, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
 * if I understand right, you were saying that the subject is weakly notable, but that the article was WP:TNTable. I've reworked to add better sourcing on the vice-chancellorship, trim some weakly sourced statements, and otherwise move towards the WP:MOS.  It's still not great, but perhaps you'll like it better?  (It would be nice to also use the allAfrica source, but I'm only able to view the snippet, and am not confident that I'll use it non-misleadingly.) Russ Woodroofe (talk) 12:39, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per above (striking my earlier delete comment), per WP:HEY. As discussed, I was convinced all along that he passed C6; the issue was the existence of enough verifiable depth of coverage to say more than that he was once VC. We're still missing a mention and explanation of what the allafrica link says, the "unexpected sack of erstwhile Vice Chancellor, Prof. Bello Bako Dambatta by the federal authorities", but even without that there's enough there now. —David Eppstein (talk) 16:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)


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