Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Belvidere station


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Black Hawk (Amtrak train).  Sandstein  14:24, 13 April 2018 (UTC)

Belvidere station

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WP:CRYSTAL: A series of alleged future train stations that, as of March 2018, supposedly "would have started" or "will start" in 2014 and "would have been" or "will be" completed in 2015, yet never appeared, and are either permanently on hold or otherwise paper fantasies, and some of which haven't even been narrowed down to a single site. Closeapple (talk) 09:52, 5 April 2018 (UTC)

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 * Neutral on Rockford station; Merge or Redirect all others to Black Hawk (Amtrak train) per WP:PAGEDECIDE. These are all proposed stations on the proposed Black Hawk Amtrak line, use 2 or 3 of the same sources as their basis, and recite basically the same marginally-WP:CRYSTAL story except that Rockford station has slightly more detail and, more significantly, Rockford's big enough that its former railroad station might have been notable even if the "proposed" one isn't.  All the rest can be boiled down in the parent article Black Hawk (Amtrak train), which basically says the same thing.  See also Articles for deletion/Geneseo station, which covers a similar no-longer-has-a station on another proposed northern Illinois line. --Closeapple (talk) 10:33, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
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 * Redirect all to Black Hawk (Amtrak train). Rockford's former station is notable, but there's nothing usable about it in the current article. I think it's very unlikely that this restoration will proceed given the current political climate in Illinois. If it does, then we'll revisit. Mackensen (talk) 11:46, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Maybe I created these pages too soon and they should be deleted for now. If and when the routes these stations are on finally get up and running, then we can ask administrators to restore these pages and update them to reflect the changes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wof2500 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 5 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Keep - Applying WP:CRYSTAL to these station articles is nonsensical as they really were and are stations, just not currently operating as passenger stations. How can WP:CRYSTAL apply to something that already exists?  That all of these station have received in-depth coverage of the possibility of passenger service returning to them further demonstrates their notability. --Oakshade (talk) 03:57, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * None of these even have prose about anything that was or is a station. In each, only the infobox is about the old station closed by 1981, and with no citations.  (Except Lena station that has nothing about an old station at all.)  So the sites that were/"are" stations have no references or text, and the sites that have references and text are not stations, never were stations, and will not be stations in the foreseeable future.  Not only that, but for the future stations, most of the references are the same ones, broadly about the proposed new service line, not about each station; each article is then supplemented with news from a local paper.  See the essay Notability (Railway lines and stations).  Whether for the old or new stations, where are the non-local references that support WP:GNG separate from the proposed route (or old route)? --Closeapple (talk) 07:57, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * "In each, only the infobox is about the old station closed by 1981" - That's actually an admission these were stations and that's the point. WP:CRYSTAL is nonsensical to stations that have already existed. --Oakshade (talk) 17:18, 11 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, not exactly. Service at those cities ended in 1981 when Amtrak discontinued the old Black Hawk. These articles aren't about those stations; they're about new stations which may or may not open at some future point. Possibly these are the same stations which closed in 1981, but there's nothing in the article about them so we don't know. We can't just lazily say that because there is going to be a station in Galena, and there was also a station in Galena up until 1981, that they are the same and therefore both notable. Mackensen (talk) 20:46, 11 April 2018 (UTC)


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