Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bement Center Camp


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus with leave to speedy renominate. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:23, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Bement Center Camp

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I was originally going to move this article to Bement Camp and Conference Center (which appears to be the current name), but after searching Google, I see a fair number of hits for a campaign to save the camp; no sites going into much detail about the camp itself (other than message boards, Facebook and MySpace). Erpert (let's talk about it) 17:05, 1 June 2010 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  DGG ( talk ) 01:59, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Massachusetts-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 20:09, 1 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep: I see you nominated this eleven minutes after the article was created. Any notion of giving the creator a chance to improve and source it?   RGTraynor  03:33, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * That isn't your rationale for keeping, is it? Incidentally, WP:DEADLINE can work both ways. Erpert (let's talk about it) 06:33, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sure an unofficial essay can.  RGTraynor  17:02, 2 June 2010 (UTC)
 * What other references do you need? The Diocese of Western Mass has all the records  I cited their most recent document concerning the camp plus Mary Bement's will.   Much of the verification for this would also be from living people not documents how do you cite personal experience.  We did it for anthropological interviews. I would appreciate any guidance  and help any of you can give.Also this isn't the right place to note this but they are linked - Bishop Lawrence has been dead for many years,1969 why do you have him listed as a living person?   Bccalumnus (talk) 02:20, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If you can't verify the information from documents, there's a good chance the subject isn't notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Please read WP:V. By the way, considering your having said "we did it for anthropological interviews", you might also want to read WP:COI. Erpert (let's talk about it) 06:30, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * The information is verified from documents cited in the Document. If I cited them incorrectly please help me correct them. I could also add the news articles from the Worcester Telegram especially the ones for the 60th anniversary of the camp. Unlike the majority of summer camps Bement is labeled on many map searches when searching for other locations in Massachusetts. This is not original research.  I was asking about the difference between the interviews we did in anthropology where we cited individuals when there were either no documents to cite or the interviews were used to verify existing documents. As to the conflict of interest you suggested, this entry is written from a neutral  point of view covering only facts not in question. It also expands from the entry for Bishop William Appleton Lawrence who is erroneously listed as living and his birth and death dates are on a Wikipedia disambiguation page. Your question about the camp name is legitimate, but the camp was known by most people as Bement Center Camp for far longer than the current Bement Camp and Conference Center and is also called just Camp Bement. This should have been noted in the entry. In fact I'm sure there is a way to note all the names the camp has been known by so searches would be more productive. Your continued guidance and assistance on this is greatly appreciated. Bccalumnus (talk) 14:36, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * any feedback, suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated,

Bccalumnus (talk) 03:49, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
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