Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Alavie


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The result was   delete. Tone 16:32, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Ben Alavie

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Fails WP:ATHLETE: amature hockey player Singularity42 (talk) 20:38, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Keep. I believe this Article should stay because I re-phrased the statement of "Canadian ice hockey player" to "amature ice hockey player"--Schennfan1 (talk) 20:59, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- Eastmain (talk) 21:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ice hockey-related deletion discussions.  -- Eastmain (talk) 21:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Weak delete. The criteria at WP:ATHLETE unfairly exclude a lot of otherwise notable amateur and minor-league players, but I don't see a reason to consider this player as notable. The article makes two specific claims for notability apart from his work as a player: "He received an award from the Ontario Government and has been on Toronto radio stations." I can't find a reference to him on the Ontario government's web sites doing a search for Alavie site:ontario.ca or Alavie site:gov.on.ca. Being interviewed on a radio station, even more than once, is probably not enough to establish notability in this case either. He is mentioned in newspaper stories such as this one, and in databases such as the Ontario Hockey League's and HockeyDB but that's not enough to establish notability. -- Eastmain (talk) 21:28, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * WP:ATHLETE does not trump WP:GNG. Notable amateur players would pass just fine.  Also, it seems the "won an award and appeared on radio" statements are intended to apply to the subject's father.  Even if it did apply to the player, junior players frequently are interviewed on local radio stations throughout Canada.  Not remotely close to a sign of notability. Resolute 00:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions.  —Eastmain (talk) 21:31, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete nn junior hockey player. No major awards, no real indication of notability. Resolute 00:17, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: I concur with Resolute as to how WP:GNG permits articles for amateur hockey players who pass its own criteria; that being said, WP:ATHLETE is what it is, and sentiment runs to tightening the standards, not loosening them. That being said, Alavie has won no honors, hasn't been drafted, lacks any prominence on his team, and my reading of the article is that this alleged award and radio interviews pertain to his father, not to Alavie himself; of course, notability is not inherited.    Ravenswing  01:43, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete: Fails WP:RS, WP:V, WP:N, WP:BIO. --  李博杰   | —Talk contribs email 03:13, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
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