Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Bowen


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The result was   keep. A clear consensus here, and thanks to for the work done on the article --  Phantom Steve / talk &#124; contribs \ 02:30, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

Ben Bowen

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Yes, there is probably a spot reserved in hell for nominating a page for a 3 yr old cancer victim for deletion, but I think I was predestined for that regardless. Anyways, this is pretty much a WP:ONEEVENT/WP:NOTNEWS and (maybe a dab of WP:NOTMEMORIAL) situation. The subject received coverage because of the disease and fund-raising in his name. Admirable, but not quite in the league of Ryan White. There are 35 refs in the article, about a 1/3rd to the family's memorial page, 8 local coverage, 6 hospital news, and the rest a smattering of findagrave.com, blogs, deleted wikisource texts, and the like. What's there isn't enough to get this into "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one" territory of the event/people guidelines. Tarc (talk) 16:09, 6 December 2010 (UTC) The independent coverage is largely local and of short duration (2004 and 2005). Every source since then is primarily focused on fundraising, not the titular subject of the article. It might be more appropriate to merge it into a section on fundraising done for St Jude's. WhatamIdoing (talk) 21:32, 9 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Medicine-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Events-related deletion discussions.  -- Jclemens-public (talk) 17:28, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep I hate the article - it's so full of POV stuff praising St. Jude's Hospital and criticizing his medical care from others. It really, really needs a rewrite, as well as more citations that are from independent sources (as noted by nominator, most are to St. Jude's or to the memorial page). But the notability is clearly there. He was featured on several TV shows. There is an annual 5K race for kids named after him . There is even a stretch of state highway named for the kid. Bottom line, his notability has spread way beyond WP:ONEEVENT. The article needs a lot of cleanup, but AfD is not cleanup, and the subject is clearly notable. --MelanieN (talk) 15:57, 7 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I did not nominate it because it was a poor article, even though it is. There are expectations noted at WP:EVENT that I do not feel this subject has met.  The coverage is local, has a short duration, and there is not a great diversity of sources; local news, a personal website, and the hospital newsletter are not compelling.  It has a small chance at the lasting effects criteria with the race and the highway, but it feels a little trivial IMO. Tarc (talk) 14:36, 8 December 2010 (UTC)
 * KEEP: I agree with Melanie.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.111.190.92 (talk) 04:39, 8 December 2010 (UTC)  — 76.111.190.92 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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 * Update I've just done a major clean-up effort, removing all sorts of unencyclopedic and promotional materials. There are now 22 sources, and the average quality of the sources left is rather higher, although it's still true that at least a third are either from the father or the hospital.
 * Thank you, Whatamidoing, that's much better. --MelanieN (talk) 22:07, 12 December 2010 (UTC)
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