Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Copeland


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   merge to San Francisco Giants minor league players. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 04:35, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Ben Copeland

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Non-notable minor leaguer. The page was created when he was placed on a team's 40-man roster. He is not there now. Alex (talk) 05:04, 10 December 2009 (UTC)  Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Tim Song (talk) 02:28, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Baseball-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:04, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:04, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to San Francisco Giants minor league players. -Spanneraol (talk) 23:55, 10 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep All your arguments seem to be based on the fact he was notable but WP:NTEMP states "Notability is not temporary."
 * Comment Perhaps that rule needs to be revised then.Alex (talk) 23:20, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Why does that rule need to be revised? That just smacks of recentism. Rlendog (talk) 15:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Because there are times when someone may lose notability. Being on a team's 40-man roster for a few weeks and then never doing anything else is one of these cases. They are notable at the time of their being on the 40-man, but outside of that they just become another minor leaguer. Alex (talk) 18:24, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * If they are ever notable, they should stay notable. If making the 40 man roster establishes notability (which I am not sure it does), then once the have accomplished that they stay noable.  People will always be able to find the 40 man rosters, at least back to the 1970s, so (again assuming that establishes notability) it is perfectly valid for someone with an old Street and Smith to look up someone from the Dodgers 1976 40 man roster and expect to find an article on him.  And the fact that the player accomplished the feat of making an MLB 40 man roster doesn't disappear just because he is no longer on the roster, just as even though Ronald Reagan is no longer president of the US, or governor of California or an actor doesn't mean that he stopped being notable for accomplishing those things. Rlendog (talk) 19:39, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.


 * Delete, hasn't played a major league game. Wizardman  16:13, 17 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment. But that's clearly not the standard.  For someone who is closing a lot of these baseball AfDs to not be aware of and respectful of the standard poses a greater concern to me than when an average editor does so.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:02, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment I tend to agree with you Epeefleche. As well, it concerns me that Wizardman does not let some AfD nominations run the full seven days before deciding what to do with them, whether it be delete or keep or what have you.Alex (talk) 18:21, 22 December 2009 (UTC)
 * I also think that Wizardman has too much of a conflict of interest to be the closing admin on baseball afds. Unless it is one that is obvious he should probably refrain.Spanneraol (talk) 05:07, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete – Fails WP:ATHLETE since he never played in Major League Baseball, and the references provided are only from statistics sites and don't prove that Copeland meets the general notability guideline.  Giants2008  ( 27 and counting ) 01:23, 18 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to San Francisco Giants minor league players (see WP:BASE/N for notability criteria for minor league baseball players). BRMo (talk) 15:25, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to San Francisco Giants minor league players as per WP:BASE/N.-- Giants 27  ( Contribs  |  WP:CFL ) 15:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep. Per this.--Epeefleche (talk) 05:43, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
 * Merge to San Francisco Giants minor league players. --Muboshgu (talk) 18:43, 23 December 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.