Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Cosgrove


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There's a general consensus that this musician has received enough coverage to pass the basic bar of notability to warrant an article, though there is substantial dissatisfaction with the article's current state. ~ mazca  talk 13:05, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

Ben Cosgrove

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No evidence that he meets WP:BAND standards. Most coverage seems to be of local artist variety. only (talk) 12:57, 22 September 2020 (UTC)
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Delete Coverage is college press and run-of-the-mill local stuff only. Nothing significant pointing to notability. ShelbyMarion (talk) 14:18, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

DO NOT DELETE Ben Cosgrove is a nationally known performer, composer, and writer. In addition to performing all over the country, both as a solo performer and with well-known bands, he has had essays published in nationally recognized journals. He is profiled here, among many other places: https://landscapemusic.org/composers-network/ben-cosgrove/. Udeyoung (talk) 19:04, 24 September 2020 (UTC)

Keep WP:BAND and WP:GNG are satisfied by significant coverage in several independent reliable sources, including a Simon & Schuster-published book, Connecticut Public Radio, Harvard Magazine, and various regional outlets. (Although Harvard Magazine is affiliated with the university, it is editorially independent, has a circulation of ~260,000 and is not akin to a college newspaper.) Cosgrove also meets WP:BAND standards as a prominent representative of landscape-oriented music, as evidenced by his media coverage and artist residencies. 2601:155:4280:F910:F148:62BF:DEF1:6107 (talk) 03:11, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * To correct a misstatement above, the book cited is not a Simon & Schuster publication. The editor apparently has mistaken the difference between being published by S&S with being a client of the company's distribution services . The publisher is in fact, according to the book's frontispiece, licensed by a client independent publisher Cider Mill Press (click on "look" tab for verification.) It is copyrighted to and licensed from Appleseed Press, which according to this company profile has a single employee, normally indicative of being the book's author's own self-publishing vanity press, shopped to and licensed by an Independent publisher. Such sources are not subject to editorial oversight and fail to meet significant source criteria per WP:USESPS. ShelbyMarion (talk) 21:15, 25 September 2020 (UTC)
 * Thanks for flagging this - point taken. The "Publisher" listed on the S&S website, Cider Mill Press, does not appear to be in the self-publishing business and does appear to exercise editorial oversight. Also, Appleseed Press is apparently the parent company of Cider Mill Press, not an entity associated with the book's author.  In any event, given that the book is one of several sources cited, I'm not sure it changes the analysis in the end. 2601:155:4280:F910:78C8:44F8:2873:35C1 (talk) 16:00, 27 September 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  13:45, 30 September 2020 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz Humbug! 12:55, 10 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Comments - I think that if somebody volunteers to trim this down to a stub, it could be saved, but right now, I can't bother to go through every Twitter reference and local newspaper account. I think this can be rescued, but someone more familiar with his genre of music needs to do it. I asked (Ping me) I shall be brutal. Bearian (talk) 20:32, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep - I will try to be a Good Samaritan and help wrap this up after an entire month, but who knows if I am actually contributing to a clear consensus. In any case, I'm not buying the statement above that Cosgrove is a nationally-known musician, but he has been noticed by the specialty press in classical/avant garde music, and several local publications in New England that can be considered reliable, if not particularly significant. This may help him qualify for a basic stub article, though the previous commenter is correct on how the article needs to have a lot of extraneous info and unreliable sources removed.  DOOMSDAYER 520 | TALK | CONTRIBS


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