Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Daglish


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   no consensus.  MBisanz  talk 03:54, 23 November 2012 (UTC)

Ben Daglish

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Non-notable musician. Does not pass WP:BAND as far as I can tell, although he has appeared on a number of records published by "High Technology Publishing."

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 * Articles for deletion/SID80s
 * Articles for deletion/Reyn Ouwehand
 * Articles for deletion/Mark Knight (musician)

Bjelleklang -  talk 09:20, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - Doesn't really explain exactly why he is notable, simply lists the video game music he has created. If this article was kept I'd suggest that this part of the article is improved and expanded. Secondly the article has no reliable secondary references. JP22Wiki (talk) 11:33, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Ben Daglish is one of the foremost musicians in the world of computer music from the 8 and 16 bit era. Together with Tony Crowther they created some of the most memorable and successful games of their time. MrMarmite (talk) 13:13, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Do you have any reliable secondary sources that have offered significant coverage about him since that type of coverage is necessary to avoid deletion?--174.93.171.10 (talk) 23:40, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I too would like to see any reliable secondary sources about him to support such statements. --Odie5533 (talk) 07:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of video game-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 20:57, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 20:57, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep - Reliable sources in the Wikiproject VG Library. Article in Games TM and The Games Machine.  Retro Gamer source also available. - hahnch e n 00:16, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Do these sources provide significant coverage of the Ben Daglish or just passing mention that he worked on the music for video games? --Odie5533 (talk) 16:03, 11 November 2012 (UTC)
 * The former. - hahnch e n 02:39, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I looked at the reference library and the link to the Retro Gamer source. The three articles you mention are actually interviews. As interviews are primary sources, they do not generally support notability which requires secondary sources. --Odie5533 (talk) 07:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Tentative keep delete per MrMarmite's notability claim and Hahnchen's sources. I know digging out old sources is usually tough, but I'm assuming these are enough to pass WP:GNG. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:21, 10 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Knowing that the sources provided are actually interviews, do you still believe three interviews (primary sources) is sufficient to pass WP:GNG? --Odie5533 (talk) 07:30, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Probably not. I generally consider interviews borderline (primary as in the subject gives the info, yet secondary because it's a publication that conducts the interview and asks questions), so they may push the GNG line. But I still want to see at least one independent source. I'm hoping MrMarmite's claim is backed up somewhere, but I don't think well see a source at this AfD. — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 09:11, 13 November 2012 (UTC)


 * Keep: per hahnchen - Ret.Prof (talk) 18:54, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete per arguments made above. No reliable secondary sources offering significant coverage of Daglish were found. Delete per WP:GNG. --Odie5533 (talk) 10:16, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Note A list of Ben's games can be found here. Also refer to Rob Hubbard as another example of a video game audio contributor MrMarmite (talk) 22:14, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * I know it's WP:NOTINHERITED, but that's an impressive list. His arts CV also list quite a few works. Surely, there have to be some secondary sources... — HELL KNOWZ  ▎TALK 22:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep – The sources shown demonstrate notability. In particular, interviews from reliable secondary sources do confer notability as said publisher is supplying the subject with the coverage in said sources. --MuZemike 01:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 00:54, 15 November 2012 (UTC)




 * Weak keep - I'm inclined to think that an argument could be made that the subject passes Notability_(musicians):
 * 1. Is cited in reliable sources as being influential in style, technique, repertory or teaching in a particular music genre.
 * 4. Has composed a number of melodies, tunes or standards used in a notable genre, or tradition or school within a notable genre.
 * The latter, I think, being particularly applicable. He might not meet notability criteria on the basis of depth of coverage but the few reliable sources that exist verify that he created the works in question and his combined body of work is considered notable. On balance, there's enough there to convince me. Stalwart 111  05:01, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
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