Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Harrison (Music Producer)


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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 20:25, 7 September 2015 (UTC)

Ben Harrison (Music Producer)

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WP:BLP of a music producer, sitting entirely on primary (webpage of his record label, SoundCloud) and unreliable (a blog entry that contains no information about him, or indeed about anybody at all, and looks from what I can tell to have been a simple test post) sources. He has enough of a claim of notability that he might pass WP:NMUSIC with a properly sourced article, but that's not what this article is. Also looks to have been created by the subject's brother, thus also a WP:COI. Delete. Bearcat (talk) 22:03, 24 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete total lack of 3rd-party sources.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:13, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete as non-notable.JSFarman (talk) 20:30, 2 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:10, 29 August 2015 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 05:10, 29 August 2015 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — ☮ JAaron95  Talk   13:03, 31 August 2015 (UTC) • There is zero intended bias and/or "promotionalism" going on here. Let's consider the facts for a moment: Benjamin Harrison is a record producer with hits for some of the biggest performers in the world to his credit as artists, a line up that includes the very FIRST - and therefore crucial to the artist's status as becoming established - credits of all for, among others, Rita Ora, Emeli Sandae and Tini Tempa. So thinking laterally here in response to the hostile objection of the inclusion, in order to arbitrate this dispute appropriately and avoid deletion, if Jay Z sent Wikipedia a letter personally offering his support of this page would this resolve? If so, this can be arranged - just provide a Wiki editor's e mail address where to have the letter / e mail sent to. The fact is, people DO come up and they DO become important at different times and Wikipedia should be the FIRST place to compile such information, not stick with a broad range of mainstream info that one can get from any web search anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmhco (talk • contribs) 21:47, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Delete: as promotionalism for non-notable alleged entrepreneur. Quis separabit?  01:11, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Nope. Our rules are that we should not be the "first" place to compile information about a person — our role is to follow media coverage that already exists, not to participate in trying to create someone's media presence. And no, a private letter of "support", no matter who it's from, doesn't help boost a person's notability if the media coverage isn't already there. Bearcat (talk) 22:25, 5 September 2015 (UTC)

• Look, I completely get it, and personally I hate how news and PR are conflated today. I hate it. That said, sometimes it is fairly obvious that an entry (such as this one) has a valid cause for being up, because it does represent information that is reliable about a source that is interesting and critical at some level to the development of something in popular culture. It may not be helpful to keep shooting it down with "delete" comments everywhere. Maybe it's worth thinking about the validity of this entry from a broader standpoint, that is all. Still, I appreciate that is what this page is for in the first place and by and large the editors here could teach those working in newsrooms a thing or two, so I shall not try and barge in too strongly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmhco (talk • contribs) 23:31, 5 September 2015 (UTC)
 * Also, since your username strongly implies that you're the subject's brother, I need to advise you to read our conflict of interest rules. They don't mean you're not allowed to edit an article about him at all, but they do mean that (a) you shouldn't be the creator of it (or of the one about yourself, either), and (b) you're not allowed to claim any special right to an exemption from our content and sourcing rules just because you have insider knowledge about him that may not be reflected in any verifiable coverage in reliable sources. Bearcat (talk) 15:04, 6 September 2015 (UTC)

• For the record, I am not the brother of nor am I in any way connected or related to Daniel Mark Harrison or Benjamin Harrison (Music Producer). I have no conflict of interest in either case with the individuals concerned, financial or otherwise. I am an ex-BBC producer as well, so I am aware of the danger of this stuff. If you need I can verify for you, Still, I am fascinated by this discussion and the editing process in general here on Wikipedia! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dmhco (talk • contribs) 23:50, 6 September 2015 (UTC)


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