Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Hicks


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The result was DELETE. Michig (talk) 08:55, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

Ben Hicks

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Autobiography of unremarkable amateur horror movie director. Claims to be "widely known" for movie that has yet to be made. Declined speedy. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 00:00, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions.  • Gene93k (talk) 00:41, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Delete. I couldn't find anything to show that this director is notable at this point in time. The IP's claim is that Hicks has been a guest lecturer and in several newspapers, but I was unable to find anything that would be considered a reliable source other than one sole newspaper entry. Other than a few interviews on non-notable blogs, there's nothing else out there. This is just a clear case of WP:TOOSOON. There's also concerns of a potential conflict of interest and puffery due to the similarity between the name of the original editor as well as the name of the article.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 05:39, 18 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79
 * Delete: Per above.— cyber power  ( X-Mas Chat )( Contrib. ) 14:08, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete Ditto.--Lhakthong (talk) 20:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment. An IP address has posted listing links and I'd like to address some of the things they've posted. First off, one of the links was to the director's website and a profile he keeps on another site. That is not a reliable source since it's from the directors themselves and they can claim whatever they want. Several of the links were to routine listings that merely show times and locations of events. That does not make something notable in and of themselves. Even a news listing for an Ozzy Osborne concert is not considered to be a reliable source and he's someone that's obviously quite notable. Secondly, many of the links went to pages where Hicks was listed as an employee or someone who ran something. That does not give notability either. As far as IMDb goes, I know that you can create your own profile on there. People can get added by IMDb or through other people, but the fact remains that if I wanted to pay, I could get myself listed on IMDb even though I haven't really done any onscreen acting. This is part of the reason why IMDb is not considered to be a reliable source as far as notability goes, although there are other reasons as well. As far as the two news stories, one of them is good but another one only mentions Ben briefly and in order to be a reliable source the article must focus on him. Another big thing that's important as far as sources go is that the source must be considered notable. For example, if my local paper (a small press that only makes about 100 papers a week) were to do a story on me, it wouldn't count towards my notability because the paper wouldn't be considered reliable enough as a source. I also have to mention that anything that's a press release or similar cannot be a reliable source either since it was released by the Hicks or one of their representatives. Also be aware that youtube is generally not considered to be a reliable source because it's all user generated. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 18:09, 20 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79
 * So basically you are voting to delete this page.— cyber power  ( X-Mas Chat )( Contrib. ) 18:25, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Already did. I'm just posting this on behalf of an IP address that had been altering comments and leaving links to what they saw as reliable sources proving Hick's notability. It got removed by another user, but if you look in the edit history of this discussion you'll see it. I'm just leaing the comment in case s/he comes back to post more items.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 05:01, 21 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79


 * Comment: This may be of interest: Sockpuppet investigations/Benhx. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 19:29, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
 * Good to note- I knew that someone had altered the votes, but not that there were people with a name so similar to mine.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 17:32, 21 December 2011 (UTC)tokyogirl79


 * Delete Not notable. ~Araignee (talk &bull; contribs) 04:27, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
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