Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Kudjodji


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Tim Song (talk) 00:30, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Ben Kudjodji

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Although this player technically meets WP:ATHLETE (as he has played in a fully-pro league), his entire professional career consists of one measly minute. I feel that playing one minute in a professional league shouldn't be enough to become notable, especially because players who have made multiple appearances in semi-pro leagues have been repeatedly deemed non-notable. Kudjodji has done nothing of sporting note since his sole minute, and he lacks any media attention to show he is notable some other way. GiantSnowman 19:57, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football related deletions. GiantSnowman 19:59, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - Whilst I can see what GiantSnowman is saying, he does pass WP:ATH so with that in mind I would keep 20:22, 9 October 2009 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zanoni (talk • contribs)
 * Delete: Agree with the nominator; although he techinically passes ATHLETE by the skin of his teeth, there are no sources about him that aren't routine announcements (WP:NTEMP). ATHELTE is a bit of a daft guideline really because technically, a player whose only career appearance was in an FA Cup Final would actually fail, as the FA Cup isn't a fully pro competition. I don't think that playing one minute of professional football makes a person notable so I'm going to have to say delete. By the way, there are probably quite a few more articles about players who have played just as few minutes as this guy, so I suppose the nominator's waiting to see what the outcome of this one is before creating a shed load of AfD's. -- Big  Dom  20:29, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment he played in the Football League Championship, not the FA Cup for Palace. --Jimbo[online] 13:32, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * No, I'm not intending to list any other "one-minuters" for deletion, this AfD was a test really to see how strict/lenient people are with ATHLETE. It's thrown up some interesting results! GiantSnowman 14:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Delete - I don't think the coverage available would pass WP:GNG (these appear to be mostly trivial mentions) and we ought to disregard WP:ATHLETE over 1 minute of professional play (in the past, I've voted to ignore WP:ATHLETE for other footballers with less than 45 minutes of professional play in a career). Jogurney (talk) 20:53, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep: marginal cases can always be found to make a thresh-hold rule seem ridiculous, but breaking the rule for such cases achieves nothing. To delete this article would be to declare that this project has no intention of being complete within its self-declared criteria.  As to BigDom's unlikely scenario above, he ignores the likelihood of a cup final debut maker receiving not inconsiderable publicity. Kevin McE (talk) 21:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I said that any such player would fail ATHLETE, not that he wouldn't be notable. I've just decided to WP:IGNOREALLRULES in this case. -- Big  Dom  21:20, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * I think we have to consider this in the grand scheme of things. If the manager had decided to keep him on the bench, he would be immediatelt deemed non-notable. However, because for whatever reason his manager allowed a youngster one minute (!) on the pitch, he is notable?!? Doesn't make sense to me...GiantSnowman 22:05, 9 October 2009 (UTC)
 * It seemed to make sense to you when Gary only played a unverified couple of minutes. So how many minutes should ATHLETE specify? 2? 10? 45?. Did he actually only play 1 minute? do they not have added time in the championship?-- Club Oranje T 10:31, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Fitzpatrick may have only played one pro game, but he has also had a non-league career of note, as well as enough media attention to arguable meet GNG; Kudjodji has had none of that. Three games which, with minutes played added together, only equal one and a half games is not a notable footballing career! GiantSnowman 10:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Fitzpatrick's non-League career looks very ordinary to me, he stayed in the Conference for a while, that's about it. Comparing him to Kudjodji doesn't really work as he has 18 years on him and is retired. --Jimbo[online] 14:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * "[Fitzpatrick] moved onto Telford United where he played more than 100 games." And Kudjodji hasn't played since 2008! GiantSnowman 14:10, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * 100 games in a side that didn't do much isn't much of a feat. The reason Fitzpatrick was kept was because he played in the FL. Hundreds of non-League players who've played 100+ games for a club are deleted because they fail WP:ATH. --Jimbo[online] 14:23, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't get me wrong, if Fitzpatrick had only had a non-league career, he should have been deleted. All I was saying that Kudjodji's entire career amounts to an absolute maximum of 136 minutes! GiantSnowman 15:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - has played for other teams besides just the one minute, though. Those might not pass WP:ATHLETE, but help cement notability. matt91486 (talk) 01:15, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if said teams are lowly non-league teams? His article says he only made two appearances for his subsequent teams, including only playing 45 minutes for one! GiantSnowman 10:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Bromley were in Conference South when Kudjodji played. That's the second tier of non-League. --Jimbo[online] 21:31, 10 October 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - he has played for Palace too. There should be no problem. --SM (talk) 12:19, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep - as a firm supporter of WP:ATHLETE Spiderone  19:53, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep has played at the fully pro level (and it's not often me and Spiderone agree at AfD!) Eldumpo (talk) 13:08, 11 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep he passes WP:ATHLETE having played in a fully-professional league. No real difference between one minute, two minutes, 60 minutes etc - it's all game time and where do you drawn the line? If you want to be really picky he probably played over a minute as there is always stoppage time ;-) --Jimbo[online] 14:06, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
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