Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Lamb (actor) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. This has gotten only minimal participation, but I'm going to resist the urge to relist this, because as far as I can tell, it really does qualify for G4. In the 2-1/2 weeks this has been on AfD, I don't see any substantial changes to the article to reflect any new-found notability from a recent film release. If you have new information (i.e. reliable sources) that shows he's now notable, please don't bother dragging this to deletion review, just be WP:BOLD and recreate the article with the new information. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:51, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

Ben Lamb (actor)
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While this could technically be deleted as a re-creation of deleted material, it's been over a year and the actor is still in his career. I'm sending this to AFD to get a quick (1-week) discussion on whether this person's notability has risen enough for him to qualify for a stand-alone article and if so, quickly bring the article up to date. The last AFD closed as "delete" with little discussion. One editor recommended "delete - WP:TOOSOON. If the actor is not notable, the page should be re-deleted. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  23:52, 5 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Comment I'm on the fence. I don't think his roles are quite big enough. The roles in The White Queen and Divergent are supporting parts. But there is now some press. although it might be a bit "fluffy" (lacking depth and serious analysis) to establish much notability. --Colapeninsula (talk) 10:01, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of United Kingdom-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:22, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 16:22, 6 March 2014 (UTC)


 * keep It was removed previously because he was less notable at the time, but clearly he is more well known now after appearing in The White Queen and upcoming roles in blockbuster films Divergent and Insurgent. davidwr, can you give me a valid reason why you keep deciding to delete this article?Atotalstranger (talk) 22:40, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * I sent it here rather than ask for it to be "speedily deleted" under the criteria G4. Recreation of a page that was deleted per a deletion discussion because I thought there was a good chance that, with the attention articles tend to get during AFD, other editors might improve the article if in fact the person's notability has increased enough to meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. I didn't "leave it alone" because it was basically the same article as it was a year ago at the time of the last deletion discussion.  Had I done nothing AND had other editors not improved the article anyways, sooner or later another editor would have marked it for speedy deletion and we wouldn't be having this conversation, because the article would deleted shortly after being marked for deletion.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  22:49, 6 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Regarding upcoming roles: 1) Don't assume any future film will be a blockbuster, and 2) don't assume any "upcoming" film will actually make it to the theaters. Beware of the WP:CRYSTAL ball, it can break. davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  23:22, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Nominators comment In light of a major career event (the release of Divergent) scheduled for March 21, 2014 if this looks like a "weak delete" or "no consensus" close any time on or after the initial 7-day period I have no objection to delaying the close until up to 7 days after the film releases to see if this person's notability changes. No point deleting an article or closing the discussion as "no consensus" if there's a good chance that by the end of the month the person will be obviously notable.  Off-topic opinion: This very situation is why it's best to wait until after such major events before creating articles unless it's blatantly obvious that notability won't be an issue.  Likewise, editors should also postpone starting notability-based AFDs right before such a major event:  Had I realized the looming release date, I would've deferred this AFD until April.  But it's pointless and WP:POINTY to withdraw it only to possibly re-do it in a few weeks.  davidwr/  (talk)/(contribs)  23:35, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica1000 11:31, 13 March 2014 (UTC)


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