Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Lederman


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The result was delete. If anyone wants to merge any of this I would be happy to userfy it to them. J04n(talk page) 19:48, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Ben Lederman

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Concern was that the article fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. PROD contested by another user without providing a reason. — Michael (talk) 23:39, 26 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. — Michael (talk) 23:41, 26 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Delete not notable and this looks promotional. Curro2 (talk) 01:27, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Merge and Redirect: As a youth player, Lederman doesn't meet WP:NFOOTBALL. The circumstances with La Masia, FIFA, etc, has significant coverage in independent RS (NYT,Marca, Sport, ESPN, etc). Given the number of players affected, it's the event rather than the players that have primary notability even though Lederman has the most press. For the moment merge selectively to Transfer (association football) and redirect Lederman there. If the case against FIFA actually occurs and achieves notability, it should be spun out to its own article, and Lederman should redirect to that article. undefinedHydronium~Hydroxide~(Talk)  12:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication of any collage award to satisfy NCOLLATH. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy either NHSPHSATH or widerGNG. Fenix down (talk) 12:32, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - He has not played in a fully pro league or received significant coverage, meaning the article fails WP:NSPORT and WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:58, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Keep - He is notable as he has the distinction of being the first American invited to train in FC Barcelona's La Masia academy. FC Barcelona is widely regarded as one of the greatest football clubs in the world, with many regarding recent Barcelona teams as the greatest of all time. Since many Barcelona players that helped them capture recent titles (Lionel Messi, Andrés Iniesta, Gerard Piqué, Sergio Busquets, Cesc Fàbregas, Xavi Hernández, etc.) are all products of La Masia academy, the academy itself has become famous and highly regarded throughout the world. In 2010, La Masia achieved a record breaking honor becoming the first youth academy to have trained all three finalists for the Ballon d'Or in a single year, with Andrés Iniesta, Lionel Messi and Xavi Hernández. Given the fact that association football is the most popular sport in the world and America in many ways is one of the most powerful and influential countries in the world, it stands to reason that Ben Lederman's distinction as the first American invited to Barcelona's La Masia academy is a notable achievement for a player and for the growth of association football in the United States. . Lederman has received significant credible coverage in reliable sources to meet WP:GNG. The NY Times, LA Times, Sports Illustrated, Chicago Sun Times are some of the multiple sources that have covered Ben Lederman on a variety of subjects (not limited to the FIFA case). He has received coverage as a promising youth player, to the growth of soccer in America, to his achievement in being the first American invited to train at Barcelona's famed La Masia Academy, to the FIFA transfer dispute, to his return to the US to join the IMG Academy, to his selection for the U-17 US National Team.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rippy33 (talk • contribs) 16:55, 27 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. GiantSnowman 18:00, 27 January 2016 (UTC)


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