Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Lee (businessman)


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The result was no consensus. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont)  11:11, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

Ben Lee (businessman)

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no evidence of notability, just PR and placement on a list.  DGG ( talk ) 20:35, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:49, 7 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of California-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 20:49, 7 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete He doesn't meet GNG. I tried to find more references and couldn't find anything via reliable, independent sources.JSFarman (talk) 00:02, 8 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep: There are few things about the subject that are not in par with WP:ANYBIO. But I don't think it fails WP:GNG. There are citations from Thrive Global, Inc. (magazine), Ocean Drive (magazine) and Digital Trends. Plus, I think 30 under 30 is a notable list. So placement here is notable too. I've added reference to list. Lunar Clock (talk) 07:45, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete a non-notable businessman. The coverage is not at the level of indepdence or indepth enough to justify having an article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:52, 9 January 2020 (UTC)
 * May be we can discuss the depth of coverage but I'm not convinced how this isn't independent. Lunar Clock (talk) 17:16, 9 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Delete per WP:MILL - reading between the lines, this is a head salesperson for a start-up. How is that notable in any way? Bearian (talk) 21:06, 10 January 2020 (UTC)
 * I think that's the misinterpretation of the subject. Being in a 30 under 30 is a notability criteria not a head sales person in my opinion. Lunar Clock (talk) 02:13, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep Founder and CEO of Neon Roots, with $2.25 million in Revenue in 2015. SWP13 (talk) 19:01, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Is revenue under $5 million enough to make anything notable anymore?John Pack Lambert (talk) 22:31, 11 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete Rather WP:MILL businessperson that doesn't have enough significant, in-depth coverage to meet GNG. Over 1,300 people are named "30 under 30" yearly so it is not a particularly good identifier of notability. Best, GPL93 (talk) 18:26, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Delete. The subject is a non-notable businessman who has not been discussed in reliable sources.  Versace1608   Wanna Talk? 19:02, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep per WP:GNG. Significant coverage in independent reliable sources exist. Sambhil32 (talk) 19:57, 12 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep, with the current sources, he passes WP:ANYBIO. I agree with Lunar Clock, even 30 under 30 makes him passing the general notability. Shashanksinghvi334 (talk) 06:44, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Should not be confused with Ben Lee but with mentions from third party sources, there is enough significant coverage to establish WP:BASIC and WP:GNG Bingrick (talk) 15:16, 13 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Keep Clearly meets WP:NBIO as the founder of an Inc 5000 company, and is a columnist for several notable magazines and newspapers such as Forbes, Inc, Huffington Post, and more. Meets WP:SIGCOV in notable sources such as Inc, Forbes, Ocean Drive (magazine), Thrive Global, and others, and the mentions certainly aren't passing. Sources are enough to pass WP:GNG. Ambrosiawater (talk) 20:24, 13 January 2020 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 21:52, 14 January 2020 (UTC)
 * comment I specifically want to disagree with (1) the assumption that 30 under 30 is a a reason for notability  . Forbes very frequently publishes thise lists, and derivative lists in vatious fields. It's essentially somewhere between a promotional  listing and a mere mention.   (2) theview that writing opinion pieces for various magazines is notability . At least one of them, HP, until very recently published them without editorial supervision of any sort. Getting these placed in various magazines might possibly go towards showing the notability of the subject's PR agent, because that's part of that person's job. DGG ( talk ) 03:13, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - Adding that regardless of its value (or lack thereof), as a contributor to Inc.(https://www.inc.com/author/ben-lee) Ben Lee's appearance on the "30 under 30" list is not independent.JSFarman (talk) 21:12, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment Nevertheless, I do believe he meets WP:GNG, and there aren't any Wikipedia pages saying that businesspeople need to have over $5 million in revenue -- and it looks like he does have over $5 million. 30 under 30 and Inc 5000 are pretty notable merit-based business awards, but many other businesspeople on Wikipedia don't have those. The press mentions aren't passing, and I don't quite see anything blatantly promotional about them. Ambrosiawater (talk) 02:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment I’d argue that Inc. Magazine’s 30 under 30 list is next to Forbes’ in notability, and to be one of 30 people in a nation of over 500 Million people is highly notable. Although Forbes' has several categories, Inc Magazine 30 under 30 was literally only 30 people total. Both 30 under 30 and Inc 5000 are amongst the most notable business awards in the world. Regardless, he fulfills the WP:GNG requirements for notability having numerous publications featuring him. Forbes Technology Council is another notable group he is in. In order to be in it you have to be invited by the Forbes Technology Council, be revenuing above $5M, and have enough notability to be approved to contribute. In addition, GNG standards would be said to be unimportant because PR agents, which is not the case, and passing GNG standards shows the person is sufficiently notable enough. PR agents can’t land people in magazines unless the client is notable enough to be landed there, so the fact that he was notable enough to so many publications is sufficient to say he is notable enough here. There are multiple sources like Maxim that were not mentioned on the page. Shashanksinghvi334 (talk) 06:30, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: One more round at this. I'm leaning towards keep but the 30 under 30 debate is interesting.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Missvain (talk) 18:39, 21 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Comment - He contributes to Inc. The list was published in Inc. It's not independent. JSFarman (talk) 23:51, 21 January 2020 (UTC)


 * Comment I'll present a counter narrative here. Being a columnist to Inc doesn't mean the subject works for them. If that were the case, majority of columnist were part of 30 under 30. So I don't agree that its not independent. Lunar Clock (talk) 07:40, 23 January 2020 (UTC)


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