Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Petaia


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The result was   delete. Jenks24 (talk) 14:15, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Ben Petaia

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Footballer who has not played for a professional football club in a fully professional league and has only been called up to the national futsal team. WP:FOOTYN seems to indicate that a player must have played a full international for the 11-a-side team in order to pass. Fenix down (talk) 10:35, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. GiantSnowman 16:02, 16 October 2012 (UTC)


 * Delete - fails WP:GNG (no significant coverage) and WP:NFOOTBALL (has not played at senior international level or in a fully-pro league). GiantSnowman 16:38, 16 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep Article satisfies to WP:FOOTYN. (3. Have played FIFA recognised senior international football or football at the Olympic games.) He participated at the Oceanian Futsal Championship, a football tournament recognised by the FIFA. The winner of this tournament participates at the FIFA Futsal World Cup. Tuvalu is part of the OFC, the football association from Oceania and therefore recognised by FIFA. Article is already a half year on wikipedia if it will not be to the criteria satisfy Article already rather removes. --Klant01 (talk) 12:19, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. Your claims that futsal caps satisfy WP:FOOTYN are incorrect. As was established here consensus (and on reflection common sense) says they do not (I even argued your case!!) and that WP:FOOTYN refers solely to 11-a-side football, hence why it is an essay from Wikiproject football, not wikiproject futsal, so the fact that it is a FIFA recognised tournament is not relevant as it is in a sport that is different from the one the guideline you quote in support of your argument was intended for. The only fallback then is WP:GNG, which as GiantSnowman has pointed out it also fails as there is no significant reliable third party coverage. Thirdly, please try to avoid using the "It's been here for ages so should stay argument". This is completely irrelevant and is specifically one argument that editors are asked to avoid here. Fenix down (talk) 17:04, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - hasn't actually played for his country's national team. Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG. – Kosm  1  fent  19:26, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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 * Delete - per nom. He fails WP:NSPORT, since it does not cover futsal national teams as playing for them does not necessarily generate significant coverage, and since hasn't played in a fully pro league or the 11-a side national team. In the absence of significant coverage also fails WP:GNG. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:37, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - as a footballer he fails WP:NFOOTBALL as he hasn't played in a fully pro league or represented his country at senior level. As a futsal-player he fails WP:NSPORTS as he hasn't participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level such as the Olympics. Also fails WP:GNG due to lack of coverage in reliable sources. Mentoz86 (talk) 17:50, 20 October 2012 (UTC)
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