Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Watson (football player) (2nd nomination)


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was Delete as not meeting the relevant guidelines. Davewild (talk) 19:51, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Ben Watson (football player)
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Non-notable football player - never played in a fully professional league. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 21:08, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 21:11, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete per nom. It's interesting to note that the WikiProject was never notified about the AfD when the article was first nominated. – PeeJay 21:32, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Would his playing for England in futsal be an implication of notability? Mattythewhite (talk) 21:44, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If so, I would change my vote to Keep and move to Ben Watson (futsal player). – PeeJay 23:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Highly irrelevant and off-topic rant Dammit, I wish editors would stop using "Nationwide Conference" to refer to the league below League Two. Firstly, it's a sponsored league name, and we don't use those on WP, secondly that isn't even its sponsored name any more!! ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment What happened to the new criteria for players? If we adopted it as I remember it, he qualifies as playing for a fully professional team in a national league. пﮟოьεԻ   5  7  21:51, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't recall it being stated that the proposed new guidelines had actually been adopted...... ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, is there a source for Grays being fully pro? ChrisTheDude (talk) 21:55, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * And do we know when? Mattythewhite (talk) 07:48, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment Grays Athletic are full-pro's and have been a full-time club since 2003/04, Link here (see bottom para) Jimbo online (talk) 09:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - er, "the Club announced its intention to go full-time"? That's not a source which confirms that they did go full-time. Also, the new guidelines (proposals in actual fact) certainly have not been adopted to my knowledge - I will continue to follow the established acceptable parameters when making my decisions. Ref (chew) (do) 01:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Comment - Does he not qualify as notable for having played in the national futsal team? - MTC (talk) 11:41, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - no, only full international "football (soccer)" teams count - his article says that he has played for "England C" - that is discounted as regards notability because the team is reserved for players with semi-professional clubs outside the Football League. Futsal is, in my opinion, a fairly non-notable offshoot of 'proper' football. Ref (chew) (do) 01:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * This AfD nomination was incomplete. It is listed now. DumbBOT (talk) 16:54, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep. He seems to have sufficient claims of notability, and there are no other real problems with the article. --lifebaka (Talk - Contribs) 17:59, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Reserved opinion until issues above are resolved. Ref (chew) (do) 01:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment - changed Nationwide Conference to Football Conference per ChrisTheDude, and removed unobjective fancruft about his perceived abilities. Ref (chew) (do) 01:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * More comment - having belatedly read the initial archived nomination for deletion, I have to say that it appears that the article was Speedy kept due to notability by association (a no-no here) with a non-league article. The matter of his professionalism was not resolved (more issues to tie up then). Ref (chew) (do) 11:35, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Delete never played professional football. Jonesy702 (talk) 18:27, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete no professional appearances, and appearing in the English national futsal team is not a sufficient claim of notability (futsal internationals easily fail WP:N due to their lack of popularity). --Angelo (talk) 14:36, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.