Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ben Zeskind


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. (non-admin closure) Erik9 (talk) 00:51, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Ben Zeskind

 * ( [ delete] ) – (View AfD) (View log)

Former minor league baseball player, no longer active, no particular reason to consider him notable. Muboshgu (talk) 16:15, 31 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Athletes-related deletion discussions.  -- ( X!  ·  talk )  · @752  · 17:02, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Do we have a "let's delete all former minor league pro ballplayers" policy? If so, I guess it has to go, but if not I would keep it. Why destroy good work.--Epeefleche (talk) 08:53, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not poorly written, but minor league players are not inherently notable, as per WP:ATHLETE. While some minor league players who never made the majors are notable, I don't see anything special about this one.  --Muboshgu (talk) 23:07, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

 Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:02, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Delete - fails both WP:ATHLETE (as he hasn't "competed at the fully professional level of a sport") and WP:GNG (as he hasn't "received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject"). GiantSnowman 13:02, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Is that the test? Well, the baseball minor leagues, where he played, are a fully professional level of the sport.  And as to significant coverage, there seem to be over 2,000 web entries on him ... see  ... and over 200 new articles ... see --Epeefleche (talk) 05:34, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
 * Epeefleche - I'm not a baseball afficianado, and thought minor league was semi-pro. Therefore, if you can provide a source which proves it is a fully-pro league he played in, I'll happily change my vote. Regards, GiantSnowman 08:35, 7 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep - Has played at the fully professional level. The minor league system in baseball all fully professional from rookie through to AAA, a player affiliated with a Major League club must sign a professional contract that will apply until the contract is renewed regardless of what tier of professional baseball the player plays in. I can't provide a source to verify that, but the only semi-professional baseball leagues in America are some independent leagues. I hope this helps clarify :)  JRA _ Westy Qld2  Talk 08:59, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I know I shouldn't really use Wikipedia as a reference, but from minor league baseball: Even though minor league players are paid considerably less than their major league counterparts, they are nevertheless paid for their services and are thus considered professional athletes. Also see Professional baseball.  JRA _ Westy Qld2  Talk 09:04, 9 August 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep on the explanation that the minor league are fully-pro; this player therefore meets WP:ATHLETE. GiantSnowman 09:26, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Yep ... here is some more background on the minor leagues ... ... for these purposes, I imagine you would have preferred their original name:  "The National Association of Professional Baseball Leagues"--Epeefleche (talk) 06:16, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.