Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Benedict Cumberbatch Must Die


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The result was   userfy. Salvio Let's talk about it! 10:53, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Benedict Cumberbatch Must Die

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Non-notable independent play. Ahecht ( TALK PAGE ) 17:05, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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 * I don't think this isn't notable at all. It has just been announced, yes. Just see the press release, thus the lack of significant coverage and reviews which will surely follow when it premieres. This is also about a famous actor and when the mainstream press finds out about it, there will be more coverage and sources for it. It is also staged at the BATS Theatre, a well-known theatre in New Zealand. Here are posters of it all over town https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bplzs3QCcAAvnfG.jpg000BCF (talk) 17:13, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If there isn't mainstream coverage yet, then it may be WP:TOOSOON for an article. Once there is significant coverage the article can be recreated. We have to be careful on Wikipedia to not try to predict the future or serve as a means for promotion. --Ahecht ( [[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK
 * The actors are already in rehearsals (see press release), so it's definitely happening. They're also already open for booking (one can't book on opening night as it's sold out). In film terms, they're already in post production and has already set out promotion. The only problem with this is the lack of secondary sources (found a few, still, it's entirely different to not being notable or being an article created "too soon") and reviews (the show hasn't premiered yet). If there are no secondary sources/reviews cited after the end of its run, then that's the time it should be considered a candidate for deletion. 000BCF (talk) 17:54, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia doesn't work like that. Articles shouldn't be created because they are expected to be notable in the future. Wikipedia is WP:NOTNEWS and there's no rush to preemptively include every topic. I would support a move to draft: namespace or a Userspace draft as proposed below, and if this play does become notable the article can be moved back. --Ahecht ( [[User_talk:Ahecht|'''TALK


 *  Delete Userfy per WP:TOOSOON and as a potential WP:BLP violation based on the name. The time to include the article is when there are secondary sources/reviews cited which indicate notability. We don't write about things in anticipation of them becoming notable - notability is required. Ivanvector (talk) 18:08, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Userfy on the grounds that its too soon for the play to be notable. Lots of plays open and then sink without trace.TheLongTone (talk) 18:39, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Move it back to mainspace if it gains notability, or delete as appropriate. Ivanvector (talk) 18:44, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Arts-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 19:23, 10 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Move to Draft: namespace as per above. Stuartyeates (talk) 03:19, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Unauthorized, potentially dangerous to the named celebrity due to the title, and should/may receive a cease and desist order at any time. Basically a "fanfic" piece that is not worthy of a Wikipedia entry.    — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.105.244.211 (talk) 01:19, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
 * FYI there are numerous films and books and plays that are unauthorized by their subject. For example, Grace of Monaco, The Fifth Estate, etc. It may be a fanfic piece (like Fifty Shades of Gray, let's be real here) but it got press (local as it was featured in Radio Active FM in NZ and international http://www.myheimat.de/news/kommentieren/benedict-cumberbatch-muss-sterben-was-sagt-der-sherlock-star-dazu-d2612865.html and it's going into actual, real production. Also, the title is misleading. From the primary source, if you cared to read is a complimentary piece on the actor.120.28.127.52 (talk) 06:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Delete and Userfy per Stuartyeates, TheLongTone, and Ivanvector. Mentor creator 000BCF. --Bejnar (talk) 01:11, 15 June 2014 (UTC)
 * This got both local and international press. It got featured in Radio Active FM in NZ (links to follow) and this http://www.myheimat.de/news/kommentieren/benedict-cumberbatch-muss-sterben-was-sagt-der-sherlock-star-dazu-d2612865.html. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 120.28.127.52 (talk) 06:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't read German, but this appears to be a user-submitted news site not unlike a community blog. I think it would fail WP:RS but at any rate it appears to be the only source we have that's not based on the press release from the theatre. I maintain this should go into draft or user space until such time as it opens, and major independent critics review the play.
 * For those who are interested, the draft guideline on notability for plays is worthwhile reading. Ivanvector (talk) 14:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.