Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Benediktas Mikulis


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   delete. There are serious concerns that this article is a hoax. The "keep" opinions have been unable to verify this story through reliable sources as required by WP:BURDEN. As core policy, WP:V mandates deletion in such cases.  Sandstein  20:56, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Benediktas Mikulis

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Fails WP:GNG. A Google News search gets zero results. Bbb23 (talk) 16:37, 17 March 2012 (UTC)
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 * Keep - one should be looking for a lot more than Google News. Buckshot06 (talk) 07:25, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete - found little to no reliable secondary or tertiary sources regarding subject. A few brief mentions, but nothing that would be considered "significant coverage" per WP:GNG. Furthermore, does not appear to pass WP:SOLDIER or WP:ANYBIO. --RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 20:26, 20 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, JohnCD (talk) 10:41, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

 *Keep - OK nothing useful on Google but found some books that are coming in book search. I have one here.
 * Weak keep It's a remarkable story and one that I've heard before. If not unique, I can't think of another. However, it does need to be properly referenced. Shouldn't be beyond the wit of Wikipedia to validate this story. Emeraude (talk) 14:06, 25 March 2012 (UTC)
 * That is a collection of Wikipedia articles sold in printed form by the print-on-demand publisher Books LLC, basically the biographies in our Category:Lithuanian resistance partisans, thus including this article. Using this book as a source would mean using the article as a source for itself. --Lambiam 13:38, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Keep per Emeraude. It does need to be copyedited and referenced properly, though. ~dee  ( talk? ) 12:31, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Delete. The article reads like a hoax, and I think it is one. If this was true, there would be plenty of reliable sources to back it up, but I couldn't find any. --Lambiam 13:50, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Could be; I haven't found much that's useful, though as I said before, the story is known to me (though not the name). This site gives a brief mention, but may not be entirely reliable given its title: CommunistCrimes.org. Similarly, BetterWorldBooks.com has a book for sale called Roman Catholic Victims of Soviet Repressions which has a chapter on Mikulis, unfortunately not online, but this page by and large confirms the Wikipedia article. Emeraude (talk)
 * That book is a print-on-demand collection of the Wikipedia biog articles in the former Category:Roman Catholic victims of Soviet repressions – now deleted. Another incestuous source. The text at CommunistCrimes.org, which does not give any sources, may have been copied from our article Forest Brothers; several other sentences are also verbatim the same, including some that are properly sourced in our article, so this too looks incestuous. --Lambiam 15:46, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Comment. And here's a published book that talks about him (it's in French). Les Français dans l'histoire de la Lituanie, Gilles Dutertre, L'Harmattan, 2009. It lists Benediktas Mikulis as a member of the freedom fighters that were in hiding in the forests of Lithuania, and that he remained in the forest until 1971, at which date he was sentenced to many years in prison. Unfortunately, no specifics. I'm still looking for that Finnish documentary, which I hope will provide us with more information.  ~dee  ( talk? ) 19:27, 27 March 2012 (UTC)