Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Benjamin Conner (engineer)


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The result was delete. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Benjamin Conner (engineer)

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Interesting historical stuff, but it appears that merely having an entry in the "Dictionary of Scottish Architects" is not sufficient to satisfy WP:NBIO (as per my suspicion and this comment at the BLP noticeboard). Searching for sources about Scotsmen named Conner is admittedly not without issues, so if someone can come up with a better source, please do tell. -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:19, 15 November 2018 (UTC) Elmidae (talk · contribs) 15:19, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - as per nom. Current sourcing is entirely not in-depth enough. And searches did not turn up enough to show notability.  Onel 5969  TT me 15:31, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Scotland-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 15:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Architecture-related deletion discussions. AllyD (talk) 15:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Delete: I make frequent use of the DSA in referencing articles about Scottish towns and their buildings, for which it is an invaluable resource, but would in no way see appearance in that database of a building or anyone associated with work on it as evidence of notability. Regarding this case, Glasgow architects are quite well covered in books nowadays, so I would have expected that if the subject's practice was significant, more detail could be found than passing mentions regarding work on the Arlington Baths Club. I don't see the subject's encyclopaedic notability established and, given the subject's role being limited to two lesser phases of development on that building, I also don't see a merge or redirect as appropriate. AllyD (talk) 15:57, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete: Unless I am missing something the notability of the subject has not been demonstrated and I would agree that inclusion in the Dictionary of Scottish Architects does not in itself suggest notability. Indeed the DSA article does not suggest the sort of particularly prolific or high profile career that would generally be expected of someone meeting notability requirements. Equally, while his father had some notability due to his position in the Caledonian Railway, notability is not inherited. Dunarc (talk) 20:51, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment (moved from talk page) As the author of the page I obviously would be a little biased in the assessment to retain or delete. I was interested in Benjamin Conner and felt he warranted a page due to his involvement in railway infrastructure (perhaps spurred on by his father Benjamin Conner) and also by the intriguing fact the Arlington Baths appears to be the only building which he constructed or indeed help to construct. I felt the page further supported both his father's page and that of the Arlington. I also hoped that further editing may bring to light what structures in Scotland he had been responsible for as a civil engineer. As for his contribution to the Arlington Baths, whilst it may be a 'lesser' addition he did in fact complete the existing façade of the building which has Grade A architectural status. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bespinfugee (talk • contribs) 10:32, 16 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Keep because he meets WP:ANYBIO for being elected to Institution of Civil Engineers for his work on railway structure design. The emphasis on the only recorded building design by other voters is incorrect because architecture was not his career focus. Did anyone read the DAB "engineer"? Legacypac (talk) 10:21, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * So you mean that qualifies via the "recipient of well-known award or honor"? Does that apply to an organization with 88,000 members? Seems like a rather low bar there... -- Elmidae (talk · contribs) 11:51, 17 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Elmidae raises a valid point. Overall membership of the ICE is huge, and I do not think that that is honour enough to meet notability - I think you would have to at least be elected as a fellow of the ICE before notability criteria was met - as the article stans, Conner seems only to have been an associate member, which the ICE article would suggest is quite low down in the membership. Dunarc (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2018 (UTC)


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