Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bennetts Associates


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The result was keep. Per the uncontested sources proffered by Cunard. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk, contributions) 20:12, 24 February 2018 (UTC)

Bennetts Associates

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I can't see how this meets WP:CORP. It's an architecture practice, and has worked on several notable buildings; some of that work has received coverage in the press, and the company has been mentioned in that context. It received a nomination for the Stirling Prize in 2011. Apart from a couple of sentences in this book, I can find no significant in-depth coverage of the company itself. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 13:44, 2 February 2018 (UTC)
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 * Delete (suggest the WP:AFC process for a possible Rab Bennetts or Denise Bennetts article) I've only been able to locate a handful of sources, the best amongst them listed below. At the time I first received a COI edit request for the Bennetts Associates article, the founder was listed (alone) as Rab Bennetts. On the website he is listed as Denise Bennetts partner. The COI editor who made the request wanted her listed as co-founder. He has received an OBE and she is listed in Who's Who. For the article to remain, I believe it should be established that the firm on its own is notable. But I don't believe it is notable, as the other architects at that firm haven't established a presence that goes beyond the Bennetts — in other words, the two Bennetts are the firm — and the firm's notability would not exist without them. Yes there should be a Rab or Denise Bennetts article but No there shouldn't be one for the offices that these two work at. According to WP:ARTN, notability is a property of a subject and not of a Wikipedia article. By having an article named Bennetts Associates, the assumption is that the firm is the subject. But the subject to whom that notability is conferred to is the Bennetts — for it is they who are the subject of the article, and not their firm. If anything, the article is mislabled, and the information contained in it should be proposed through AFC as an article on the Bennetts.  Spintendo  ᔦᔭ   22:32, 2 February 2018 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 04:09, 10 February 2018 (UTC)
 * Delete - any reliable sources referenced relate to the buildings, not the firm. Nothing indicates that the firm itself is notable.--Rpclod (talk) 13:12, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources.  From https://www.amazon.com/Bennetts-Associates-Commentaries-Peter-Carolin/dp/1904772153: "Since its foundation in 1987, Bennetts Associates has won numerous awards for its work and has established itself in the UK as one of the leading architecture practices of its generation. This is the first book to examine the firm's ethos and the themes behind its buildings. Four aspects of Bennetts Associates' work are considered in depth-Perception, Form, Construction and Process-drawing on over 30 built projects in detail, as well as many others in various stages of design and construction. These projects, include Hampstead Theatre, the Wessex Water Headquarters, Brighton Central Library and the New Street Square development in the City of London. Each of the underlying themes is examined in turn by four well-known writers or commentators - academics Richard Weston and Peter Carolin, design process theorist Frank Duffy and art consultant Vivien Lovell."  The book notes: "Queen Elizabeth II Court is the headquarters of Hampshire County Council (HCC), which carries out administrative functions for a large area of southern England. The building (known formerly as Ashburton Court) houses today 1,100 staff although, when constructed in 1960, it housed only 600. Hence, this example of eco-refurbishment is not only the result of green retrofitting but of improving the efficiency and intensity of the use of office space. The project was undertaken by architects Bennetts Associates, one of the UK's most successful designers of green buildings."  The book notes: "Rab Bennetts founded the eponymous Bennetts Associates Architects and is one of the leading proponents of green buildings in the United Kingdom. Bennetts is well known for several landmark projects, including the Brighton Library. He started the firm in 1987 and now employs about seventy people at two offices in London and Edinburgh." There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Bennetts Associates to pass Notability, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject". Cunard (talk) 08:50, 15 February 2018 (UTC)</li></ul>
 * That the architectural firm Bennetts Associates was the subject of the Black Dog Publishing book Bennetts Associates: Four Commentaries written by academics Richard Weston and Peter Carolin, design process theorist Frank Duffy, and art consultant Vivien Lovell strongly establishes it is notable. Cunard (talk) 08:50, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

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 * Keep As per 2 of 3 the sources provided by above. The second source is a mere mention-in-passing but the other two meet the criteria for establishing notability. <b style="font-family: Courier; color: darkgreen;"> HighKing</b>++ 14:28, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

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