Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bennie Abrahams


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   Keep. No consensus to delete. Malinaccier (talk) 01:38, 15 December 2008 (UTC)

Bennie Abrahams

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Utterly non-notable, was simply the father of someone who had a bit part in 2007 Labour party donation scandal, no additional relevant or interesting information in this article to make it in any way encyclopaedic - at one remove even from WP:BLP1E - Smerus (talk) 15:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep. Notable per WP:POLITICIAN as former Lord Mayor of Newcastle. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:22, 5 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions.   -- Rtyq2 (talk) 16:00, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep per Phil Bridger. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 01:14, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Delete - non-elected Mayors no more notable than any other local councillor, which I believe makes them fail WP:POLITICIAN, not pass it. - fchd (talk) 20:21, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment. Actually he was indirectly elected, by the councillors, not non-elected, and why should the method of appointment to the post make him any less notable? Most politicians over most of history and in much of the contemporary world have not been directly elected, but this doesn't stop them being notable. We're not supposed to be judging democratic credentials here, just notability. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:13, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment - OK, notability. Where's the multiple, non-trivial, independent sources then? - fchd (talk) 22:07, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Phil, I don't know if you are British or not, but in case you aren't, the Mayor post at Newcastle, (as everywhere else in the UK where Mayors are not directly elected, except City of London) is ceremonial and of no political import whatever. Councillors in the UK choose one of their members as Mayor by annual rotation. Unless they have done something significant, there's no way they can sensibly be WP topics.--Smerus (talk) 10:26, 7 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so that consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  MBisanz  talk 02:59, 10 December 2008 (UTC)


 * delete he doesn't seem to fit in notability —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pstanton (talk • contribs) 07:38, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Keep City counselors in large cities are notable. If they fulfill the practical role of the mayor, as discussed above, then that would make them more so, more than in the typical US situation.DGG (talk) 16:41, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Why would the role of councillor in a large city be any different to that in a small city, or a rural district? The responsibilities are the same. Mayor is largely an honorific title, without much of a practical side to it. There are over 400 local authorities in the UK, each with an average of say 50 councillors. That would make 20000 or so current local politicians as notable as this guy. - fchd (talk) 17:25, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I see that DGG is an American, and perhaps does not understand that councillors in the UK are mostly part-time nobodies, (and that includes mayors) - I speak as one who was a Councillor for 18 years btw :-). The issue here is not "did this guy have a fancy title", but, was he in any way notable under WP criteria. The article tells us nothing about him - and in fact I suspect there is nothing to tell. If DGG or anyone else can put useful content into it, let them do so - if not, their comments are not constructive. fchd has indicated the floodgates you open if you allow this article to continue.--Smerus (talk) 07:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)


 * Keep per notability.--Judo112 (talk) 12:47, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Comment He has recieved media attention, the The Daily Telegraph has refered to him as "Bennie was the son of a poor Russian émigré, who emerged from poverty to become a pillar of the North-Eastern Labour Party and mayor of Newcastle between 1981 and 1982." This seems to verify notability. Thanks. Ism schism (talk) 14:14, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


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