Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Benson Samuel


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The result was delete. Ultimately, sources provided are not WP:RS and therefore do not show that the subject passes WP:GNG at this time. &spades;PMC&spades; (talk) 21:43, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Benson Samuel

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A unremarkable founder of Coinsecure, the article that has been deleted twice. Article is highly promotional, discussing how the subject was interviewed on TV or that he moderates a forum. I'm unable to locate coverage that is not PR driven.

Apparently part of a walled garden, around Coinsecure, as both were created by Special:Contributions/Droidmaxxx with few contributions outside of this area. K.e.coffman (talk) 19:47, 26 March 2017 (UTC)
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 * Weak Keep - has some coverage (100+ google-news hits), including from reputable sources. He is covered from 2013 as a bitcoin expert in reliable sources - - and there is ongoing coverage of him up to 2017 - . Just because this is COIN created - doesn't mean he isn't notable.Icewhiz (talk) 06:13, 27 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Delete. The article is unambiguous promotion, and there is also no evidence that Benson Samuel satisfies Wikipedia's notability guidelines. As for the links provided above by Icewhiz, the first three are pages which just briefly mention Samuel, and the third is just a Google search: the mere fact that Google shows that there are pages on which he is mentioned does not establish notability. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 20:25, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I provided the three links to show he was being quoted as a "bit-coin expert" from before Coinsecure- Not to allude to any in-depth coverage in them specifically. Amount of google-news hits (+ going over them briefly - seeing source, dates, and type of coverage) does say something.Icewhiz (talk) 05:14, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
 * The links provided offer quotes by the subject and brief mentions -- these are generally not sufficient to establish encyclopedic relevance. Sample:
 * "Bitcoin is emerging in India and it would benefit the users if RBI could regulate it", said Benson Samuel, etc.
 * In past AfD discussions, such sources have been discounted. K.e.coffman (talk) 20:14, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * Icewhiz: Firstly, no, the number of Google hits is not an indication of notability, but even if it were, the link you provided gives a mere 60 hits, which is really not a lot. You go on to mention "type of coverage" in those hits, so I thought I would look at a few of them and see what "type of coverage" they gave. The first one I looked at is an article about Coinsecure which briefly mentions Benson Samuel a few times. It is on a web site called yourstory.com, which describes itself as a "marketing channel for brands looking to connect with an active network of entrepreneurs". The second one I looked at was on something which had all the appearance of being an equally promotional site, though it was not as forthright in saying so. The third one I looked at was a press release (it used those two words to describe itself) issued by Coinsecure, Samuel's company. The next couple were similar. You also say "I provided the three links to show he was being quoted ... Not to allude to any in-depth coverage", but it is only in-depth coverage which establishes notability in Wikipedia's terms, not a few brief quotes in passing. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 21:14, 30 March 2017 (UTC)


 * I'm standing at 'Weak Keep' - I'm not saying the guy is very notable. He has some coverage + he is quoted as an expert on the subject (of Bitcoin). If someone is interviewed serially as an expert (as a talking head or in print) - then although each reference by itself isn't worth much, the ensemble is.Icewhiz (talk) 07:08, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 06:34, 3 April 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Kurykh (talk) 01:44, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. I did a new web search on "Benson Samuel bitcoin" and found a lot of news articles which mentioned him. And some of the search results were from major news websites such as this one from Forbes: India's Demonetization Is Causing Bitcoin To Surge Inside The Country and this one from Hindustan Times: A bit of change: Indians using bitcoin to trade, shop, even pay for pizza. So I think he is notable. Knox490 (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment -- These are not suitable sources; Forbes is www.forbes.com/sites -- which are contributed blogs. In any case, the article only quotes the subject, instead of providing info on the subject:
 * " In 2017, according to Benson Samuel, founder of Coinsecure, “India will definitely look at regulating bitcoin and setting practices to be followed shortly.”
 * K.e.coffman (talk) 02:47, 15 April 2017 (UTC)


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