Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Berlin Döner Kebap


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The result was delete. Spartaz Humbug! 21:02, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Berlin Döner Kebap

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A small/medium Polish fast food chain. Coverage limited to trade journals and worse (press release/marketing sources). Seems to fail WP:NORG]. See also WP:CORPSPAM. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus&#124; reply here 09:25, 20 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Food and drink-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Companies-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Poland-related deletion discussions. NewYorkActuary (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Keep. I see your point about coverage limited to trade journals, but with 36 outlets across Poland, I'd say the chain is notable. WP:CORPSPAM redirects to personal essay.  Poeticbent  talk 17:07, 21 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Having 36 outlets (or 10, or 100) is not a criteria of notability at WP:NORG or WP:GNG. We don't list medium sized companies by default. They need to be, well, notable. Sheer size does not suffice (because it's hard to determine an objective criteria for size). And yes, it is an essay I wrote to illustrate the problem - I could also link WP:NOTYELLOWPAGES, etc. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:17, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 02:27, 27 November 2017 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
 * Delete. few chains this size are notable, and there are insufficient sources to show this is any different.  DGG ( talk ) 22:20, 27 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Large enough chain to be notable in its market. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:54, 29 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Average of two outlets per Polish voivodeship (province)? It is pretty marginal, most Poles wouldn't never see an outlet, and it is hardly a household name. What do you base your view on? The fact that you copypasted this to/from another AfD where the subject article doesn't even make a claim about its size does not give me confidence about you having carried out any research. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here  05:00, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * I actually bothered to look the other chain up. Did you do the same? Please try to WP:AGF! Your comments about copypasting seem anything but. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:43, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Comment. The closing admin may want to take a look at Articles for deletion/Big Bite Submarines, a similar chain with nearly twice as many outlets, where the discussion is currently leaning to delete, when considering the arguments about 'size is enough'. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 05:02, 1 December 2017 (UTC)
 * That would be the one that was closed as no consensus! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:44, 4 December 2017 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   08:31, 4 December 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete: The references provided are listings and routine announcement coverage. A franchise firm going about its business, but I am seeing nothing which indicates encyclopaedic notability. AllyD (talk) 08:52, 8 December 2017 (UTC)


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