Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bernardin Pavlović


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. There seems to be a consensus the subject meets WP:GNG (which counters "unsourced" claim from the nominator with sources that exist per WP:NEXIST) and the Bearian's rationale is WP:NOTNOTABLE, which is not to be used here. (non-admin closure) Jovanmilic97 (talk) 22:22, 8 March 2019 (UTC)

Bernardin Pavlović

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Non-notable writer. A few sources mention him in passing, and facts about him appear to be scarce. The "importance" is claimed, but is unspecified and unsourced. GregorB (talk) 09:32, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Authors-related deletion discussions.  ~Ruyaba~   {talk}  09:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Croatia-related deletion discussions.  ~Ruyaba~   {talk}  09:40, 8 February 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sheldybett (talk) 14:15, 15 February 2019 (UTC)  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, DannyS712 (talk) 17:22, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Delete. I am dumbfounded why anyone would think this person was notable. There is essentially no evidence. Bearian (talk) 21:21, 22 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep Some passing mentions here:   (as a source?), mentioned here . My Croatian isn't strong enough to understand everything but I think he passes WP:NAUTHOR, the research was certainly interesting. SportingFlyer  T · C  03:46, 27 February 2019 (UTC)
 * These are indeed all passing mentions, save for the last one, which is from a 1939 book titled Naša Gospa od Zdravlja i njezina slava, by Ante Crnica. In it, there is a chapter dedicated to B. Pavlović (, pp. 215-220). It does mention his 1747 work, but does not assert its importance either. In particular, looking at this chapter, I cannot find anything of significance that would count towards WP:NAUTHOR. GregorB (talk) 17:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus. Relisting comment: Relisting for a third time to allow for input regarding sources presented late in the discussion.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 14:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
 * Weak keep This is a difficult subject to comment on. The article claims that the subject's published works were an important development in the Croatian language. The article about the Croatian language has a total of one sentence about the 18th century, saying "However, this first linguistic renaissance in Croatia was halted ..... in 1671. Subsequently, the Croatian elite in the 18th century gradually abandoned this combined Croatian standard." The next para in that article is about the 19th century. So whatever happened in the development of the Croatian language in the 18th century, English Wikipedia has no information about. Croatian Wikipedia has a longer section about that time period, which mentions a few authors but not Bernardin Pavlović.
 * There are certainly sources with more information about him, but most only have snippet views available on Google Books. The journal Mogućnosti, Volume 44, Issues 1-9, p 10 (1997), has an article which includes these lines (visible in the Google Books search result, but not in the snippet view; translation by Google Translate): "On May 6, 1730, Bernardin Pavlovic reached the Duchab on May 6, 1730, asking the statesman to reach the church authorities and proclaimed him a legitimate and legitimate place of residence, but the subsequent events reduced things faster than he thought. God. 1731. proclaims plague ." A 1934 source, Danica, shows in the Google Book search results the lines "Bernardin Pavlovic, Elder Franciscan, Our Lady's image of this fence. Archbishop of the Priest came to the other side of the fence and at that place solemnly blessed the image of Our Lady by finding that he was exposed to worship in one beautiful place .." Again, the snippet view does not show that part of the page, and it's not at all clear what this is about, or how much there is about Bernardin Pavlovic, but, like the 1997 source, it does seem to be about something other than his publications.
 * My conclusion from these very partial glimpses of sources is that, including the 1939 book linked above, I think enough probably does exist for him to meet WP:GNG. The sources which mention him date from at least the mid 1800s to the 2000s, so there is certainly sustained coverage. (Is there a National Dictionary of Biography for Croatia or any of its predecessor states? He seems the kind of person who might be included.) RebeccaGreen (talk) 11:16, 2 March 2019 (UTC)


 * Keep There are sources on the person, although Google Books offer only snippets, they might be more than passing mentions - (looks to be the start of a biography) as well as others . It's hard to tell from some of those that offered only snippets if more are written there, but cumulatively they do indicate that he is not a nobody and may qualify under WP:GNG. Hzh (talk) 13:31, 8 March 2019 (UTC)


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