Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bernd Simon


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The result was   delete. v/r - TP 02:32, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Bernd Simon

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Holocaust survivor who is a motivational speaker for local schools. Majority of coverage are trivial local mentions of his appearances at various schools. Fails WP:ANYBIO and WP:GNG. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 02:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions.  — &mdash;Darkwind (talk) 03:22, 25 August 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep per WP:BIO. Coverage is not trivial but acceptable third-party refs in reliable sources, and subject demonstrates strong regional notability. I wikified the article to provide inline citations. Yoninah (talk) 22:32, 25 August 2011 (UTC)
 * How is local coverage of a speaker to middle schoolers not WP:ROUTINE? Just another WP:Run-of-the-mill motivational speaker. On a side note, GS returns nothing on his work at UCSB, so fails WP:ACADEMIC. Vanadus (talk | contribs) 16:51, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * I added a new ref that says he earned his teaching degree at UCSB and taught languages at Ventura College. Yoninah (talk) 08:23, 5 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Reluctant delete - Vanadus is right, this just doesn't make the cut. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  23:21, 26 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete, the subject does not meet the notability guidlines. Jezhotwells (talk) 19:06, 27 August 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 01:09, 1 September 2011 (UTC)

 
 * Delete - reports in high school newspapers and other local and/or trivial coverage won't cut it. There's one LA Times piece which is significant, but it's from the local section and is clearly intended to be local news, and in any case it still fails WP:BIO, which requires multiple. –Roscelese (talk &sdot; contribs) 04:37, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with local news? Surely you don't mean that someone has to be written up in The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, and CNN in order to qualify for a Wikipedia biography? Many people are well-known in their region but not nationally. And why do you write off the Ventura County Star, which is a member of the Scripps group? Yoninah (talk) 23:29, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete as per Vanadus and Roscelese. CapMan07008 (talk) 14:27, 1 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep - Coverage in the Los Angeles Times establishes notability, regardless of what section of the newspaper it's in. Northamerica1000 (talk) 21:54, 4 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.


 * Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,  Sandstein   06:02, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Second relist comment: Aditional content has been added since the last opinion, which might require reexamination.  Sandstein   06:03, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. Yoninah (talk) 08:37, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * reply - No, all you've done is squeeze more juice out of the same lemons, plus adding links to a local school newspaper and an anthology of college student writing compiled by the local college. -- Orange Mike  &#x007C;   Talk  13:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)


 * Keep. Internet research reveals he has has received substantial coverage in secondary sources. -- brew crewer  (yada, yada) 14:24, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep Credible claim of notability and the reliable and verifiable sources provided in the article, in addition to other sources available, more then establish notability. Alansohn (talk) 15:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep because the article has enough WP:RS in any case. IZAK (talk) 11:03, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep per Northamerica1000. I don't see a policy difference vis-à-vis what newspaper section the coverage is in. City O  f Silver  00:16, 13 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Delete The reason why local sections don't necessarily give sufficient sourcing for notability, is that they cover ever event in the community, regardless of importance. None of the ones here show anything more than that. Incidentally, I don't exactly see how anyone could in 1941 search for Nazi criminals in Germany as part of the US Army. By the time the Allies reached Germany he was, according to the article,  a pilot in the Air Force. However, a little confusion is understandable, because the source for this part of the article is a student essay, .  It's presumably based on his own account in the local talk he gave, not on any actual documentation. Based on the statement on the talk p. from the original editor, the entire article amounts to a personal account by the subject. I consequently regard the newspaper articles essentially as based on his own publicity for himself. Based on the attribution for the image, that ed. cvlaims to own the copyright on the image,  which would make the article   either an autobiography or written by a close relative. .     DGG ( talk ) 04:03, 16 September 2011 (UTC)
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