Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bernhard, Prince of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein


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The result was   keep. J04n(talk page) 16:27, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Bernhard, Prince of Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein

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Not able to verify notability in reliable sources. Lack of independent sourcing to show notability. Utterman (talk) 19:16, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

The notability is clear from the information provided. He is the heir to a major house headship of one of the 400 richest individuals in Germany, in addition to being the heir to a 400 year old House.
 * Comment Certainly worth a mention in the article about the Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein family, but at the moment, I don't see information that would make him notable enough for his own article. If he is a major landowner-- the article refers to a 5,000 acre forest, two castles and an entire town-- then he might qualify as a notable businessman.  What I see at the moment is information from thePeerage.com verifying his existence, supplemented by speculation as to where he would be if there were still a monarchy in Germany.  I'm not ready to say delete if there's something more to him then being an heir. Mandsford 21:42, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Hello - actually, his position is not as a member of a monarchy or Royal family, but as nobility. Yes, it's been abolished BUT - and this is notable - the headship of Households remains intact and is subject to House laws which are centuries old.
 * OK, hello, ProperlyRaised. If there's proof that Bernhard is one of these guys who's still living by house laws and arranged marriages and the like, that would be interesting.  The article doesn't really tell much about the man-- looks like he's 48, married, has a teenage kid-- but where does he live and work, and what does he do for a living?  I guess if he operates the game preserve there at Ditzrod-- 5,000 acres is pretty impressive-- that would be notable.   I just don't see anything that would make him automatically notable, that's all. Mandsford 00:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * For his job he is Chairman of the Board of the Fürst Wittgenstein`sche Waldbesitzergesellschaft Forestry company and he is Managing Director of Verlag Dashoefer publishers. - dwc lr (talk) 15:56, 10 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Comment – A problem is his name is Bernhart not Bernhard. But I get some articles in the local press where he has presided over some events. But to use a search engine its best to use Bernhart Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein or Bernhart Sayn-Wittgenstein as sometimes he is called Furst, and sometimes Prinz. - dwc lr (talk) 16:00, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep in light of DWC LR's additions to the article.   Mandsford 16:40, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Note: This debate has been included in the list of Germany-related deletion discussions.  -- • Gene93k (talk) 12:53, 11 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep dwc lr's issue about searches was a bit of a problem - Bernhard, Bernhart and Bernhardt, for example, all seem to be viable methods of spelling his name, and we get either Sayn-Wittgenstein-Hohenstein or Sayn-Wittgenstein. That makes me feel that they could well be sources that I'm not able to turn up yet. However, his various roles and the sources which I could find seem to point to sufficient notability, so I'm inclined to keep. - Bilby (talk) 12:21, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Keep as his notability derives from traditional headship of a once-sovereign and currently socially prominent family, as documented by being the primary focus of a chapter on his family in the 2004 edition of the Genealogisches Handbuch des Adels, widely regarded as the literary successor to Justus Perthes' Almanach de Gotha, the authoritative gazette of historically dynastic families. FactStraight (talk) 07:18, 17 February 2011 (UTC)
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