Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bernhard Müller (Officer)


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The result was keep. –  Juliancolton  &#124; Talk 23:06, 19 April 2017 (UTC)

Bernhard Müller (Officer)

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Just a man with a job. Article only sourced with unsuitable press releases. Fails WP:GNG The Banner talk 22:16, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
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 * Delete Per WP:GNG. I agree. Just a man with a job. Comatmebro  User talk:Comatmebro 22:37, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete, reads like a promo press piece. Non-notable for stand alone article; as said above, "a man with a job". His rank alone should not be the determining factor. Kierzek (talk) 23:28, 11 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete Some ordinary employee like all others, not enough for a page. Drunken Donald (talk) 00:39, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per WP:SOLDIER. His rank is equivalent to major general. Clarityfiend (talk) 02:30, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Based on an essay? The Banner talk 10:21, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep Because of its rank he is notable.. and only his rank is enough for being notable 	Divisional general German: Divisionär NATO-Code: OF-7. Also notablle because he is the vice commander of the Swiss Air Force ,Deputy Commander of the Swiss Air Force,and Notable because he will be the commander of the Swiss Air Force from 31.12.2017 on. This is just again a wikihounding deleting attack of the Banner against me.FFA P-16 (talk) 02:47, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I hope that you realize that your constant attacks on me are not helping your article? Most people will see the attacks as an attempt to hide your lack of arguments to protect your own articles. The Banner talk 10:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * I hope that you realize that your constant attacks on me are not helping your article? Most people will see the attacks as an attempt to hide your lack of arguments to protect your own articles. The Banner talk 10:17, 12 April 2017 (UTC)> Ii don't attack you, you are the one who is stalking and bully me!FFA P-16 (talk) 10:26, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * My friend, you are not even able to place responses on the correct place. (I replaced my response, as you have written through it and garbled it up.) The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 14:44, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm no big expert in the English wikipedia, but your focus on FFA P-16's articles and that you constantly suggest his articles for deletion is in my opinion a WP:HOUND case! --MBurch (talk) 18:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)

@Cllgbksr. The articel uses standart informations about Bernhard Müller from the Federal swiss Goverment, but just using Googel, and the 3 wordsLuftwaffe Bernhard Müller  shows enough informations in online news and Tv .. In less than eight month he will be the new commander of the Swiss Air Force.. but he is also since a few years already the vice commander of the swiss air force and since a few years Divisionär ( WP:SOLDIER). FFA P-16 (talk) 18:34, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep the article definitely needs work, but he's a two-star general, and will soon be the commander of the Swiss Air Force. No doubt there are RS in Swiss language newspapers regarding him, someone just needs to find them. Meets WP:SOLDIER for now at least. Cheers, Peacemaker67 (click to talk to me) 09:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Delete I concur with Kierzek.  Article struck me as a self-promotional piece and lacks (presently) sufficient independent reliable sourcing.  As to Peacemaker67 comment, when he makes commander of Swiss Air Force, I'm sure there will be new reliable independent sources (coverage), but until then subject doesn't meet simplest of WP standards.Cllgbksr (talk) 18:13, 12 April 2017 (UTC)


 * Keep Meets WP:SOLDIER --MBurch (talk) 18:55, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep A brief Google search on ""Bernhard Müller" Schweiz Luftwaffe" revealed a number of sources establishing notability. Tagesanzeiger, ibid. St. Galler Tagblatt, Berner Zeitung, etc. The same goes for ""Bernhard Müller" Forces aeriennes": Le Temps, La Region, Tribune de Geneve. Switzerland is multilingual, searches are a bit more complex that you'd expect for, say, US or British military dignitaries. Kleuske (talk) 22:25, 12 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Those four German language ones are in fact just passing mentions. They are not about him. <span style="font-family:'Old English Text MT',serif;color:green">The Banner <i style="color:maroon">talk</i> 21:50, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep - The sources Kleuske found seem compelling to me. Smmurphy(Talk) 21:43, 13 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep, not because of SOLDIER, which is just an essay, but because of the prominent role & accompanying coverage. This article from the national Austrian daily provides some bio details:
 * Bernhard Müller, currently Chief Operating Officer of the Austrian Air Force, will become a new Air Force chief. Müller was a chief instructor during the introduction of the Super Pumas. Among other things, he directed humanitarian helicopter missions of the Swiss army in Albania and Sumatra as well as fire fighting missions in Greece. Müller was already being talked about in 2013 as a possible air force chief, but the election fell to Schellenberg. link.
 * When he becomes chief of the air force, someone is likely to create an article on him, so why delete now. K.e.coffman (talk) 02:14, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
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 * Keep Clearly passes WP:SOLDIER and WP:GNG. Hawkeye7 (talk) 05:55, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Very clear pass of WP:SOLDIER, which although only an essay has long been the notability standard for military bios. Some editors are clearly either not aware of our notability standards or think they know better. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:58, 19 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Keep. Meets one of the criteria for WP:SOLDIER, will meet another at the end of the year.Tobyc75 (talk) 20:40, 19 April 2017 (UTC)


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