Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Berniece Baker Miracle


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. I echo the closing rationale of Articles for deletion/Gladys Pearl Baker. There is an argument made here that Ms. Baker Miracle is less notable than her mother, but I do not see it getting enough support to change the outcome. —  The Earwig   talk 02:13, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Berniece Baker Miracle

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Monroe's half-sister, whose only claim to notability other than that is a book she published a book about being Monroe's sister in the 1990s. I believe there already was a page on her a couple of years ago, but it was deleted because again, she is not notable enough to have her own article. TrueHeartSusie3 (talk) 14:34, 10 January 2021 (UTC)TrueHeartSusie3
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 * Keep – the article was nominated for deletion only a month prior to you nominating it again, and the consensus was to keep. I feel like we're going round in circles here, wasting the time of editors when we could be doing more constructive things. Initially I too was opposed to the creation of the article as it seemed like more centenarian fandom and that she was only known for being a relative of somebody famous. I've changed my mind – the article is well written and sourced for a start. It also demonstrates that Baker Miracle is notable enough in her own right as a memoirist and popular media personality to merit her own article. Baker Miracle's article by no means stands out on Wiki as an exception to a rule, but rather a common occurrence of somebody being in the public eye consistently as a result of being tied to a more known personality. Presidential siblings/parents are often in that category e.g. Nancy Walker Bush Ellis, as are people like Jackie Stallone. I don't see any difference between them and Baker Miracle. Bottom line should be if they're personalities in their own right, regardless of how they got there or who they became known through, they merit an article. Thanks --Jkaharper (talk) 15:08, 11 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Comment: [note that this is partly the same comment I left on the Gladys Pearl Baker article, as the same things apply] Apologies, I was not aware that there had recently been a discussion on possibly deleting this article, my bad! The thing is, these types of articles tend to attract really, really shoddy writing and sourcing, as well as the type of celeb mythology that has little basis on truth. Although it is true that Monroe's mother does have a central place in her 'mythology' and does attract interest, I don't think that's really the case with Baker Miracle. The only time she ever was in the public eye was for a very brief moment when she published a book about Monroe, and AFAIK even then we're not talking about a great deal of publicity or a bestseller. TrueHeartSusie3 (talk)TrueHeartSusie3

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Eddie891 Talk Work 17:37, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Delete. Notability is not inherited. She was the half-sister of Marilyn Monroe who, according to the article, only met Monroe later in life, and co-authored one book about Monroe with her daughter in 1994. Her only claim to any sort of notability is being the half-sister of someone famous. ExRat (talk) 19:49, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

 Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, North America1000 07:59, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep per Jkaharper as a bona fide personality. "Notability is not inherited", like BLP1E, is something often misinterpreted as broader than it really is; "being related to someone famous" is a thing some people are notable for. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:07, 24 January 2021 (UTC)
 * Keep. BLP subject who co-wrote the only authorized family memoir on Marilyn. The missing big sister who influenced and connected with twelve year-old Norma Jean. A significant person in the celeb mythology of the cult figure. Existing sources meet GNG. Nobody wants this merged into the MM page. I agree it needs improvement and stewardship. The article as of this datestamp now covers Berniece, Mona, and the book. With the recent Gladys keep close, both articles will serve as appropriate family life subpages for the main page. BusterD (talk) 16:22, 28 January 2021 (UTC)


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