Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bert Bell Award


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.  

The result was keep. Please defer merge related discussion to article talk. Can't sleep, clown will eat me 07:31, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Bert Bell Award

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Article duplicates a portion of National Football League Most Valuable Player Award. This could easily be a redirect to the specific section. Jmfangio| ►Chat 01:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Redirect to National Football League Most Valuable Player Award per nom. Giggy  UCP 02:00, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep because in 1998 Randall Cunningham won the award when he wasn't awarded the NFL MVP of that year. So that means not every single person who won this award also won the NFL MVP award. --Phbasketball6 02:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Comment But the NFL article already has the Bert Bell Award there, so the information is there. Jmfangio| ►Chat 02:15, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep There's plenty of coverage for this award Corpx 02:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I, unaware of the existence of the NFL MVP Award article, created the Bert Bell Award article, so take this with a grain of salt (I'm abstaining from voting). I submit that there is really no such thing as the NFL MVP Award: there are a whole bunch of awards that purport to be that, but they are all separate and distinct, awarded by various folks, each with their own opinions. Are the Heisman Trophy and the Maxwell Award really the same thing? Why not merge those into the same article? Maybe the article should start with "National Football League Most Valuable Player Awards [plural] are given..."--BillFlis 02:52, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Weak keep per BillFlis et al. Seems to be a notable enough award with plenty of news coverage, but according to BillFlis there's really no "NFL MVP Award", so this may just deserve its own page. Ten Pound Hammer  • (((Broken clamshells • Otter chirps))) 02:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * National Football League Most Valuable Player Award is the primary NFL MVP award. This is just second fiddle, just like the Maxwell is to the Heisman Corpx 02:59, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, since these are all relatively short lists, and I don't know that it will ever get to full article length - why duplicate information already in the MVP article? Jmfangio| ►Chat 03:07, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Strong keep. A Google News Archive search shows over 500 results so the media considers it notable enough to report upon. Needs sourcing but the topic is notable enough for mine. Capitalistroadster 03:35, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * On second thoughts, perhaps it could be a redirect with the introduction of the NFL MVP award indicating that the Bart Bell Award is one of the various awards given to MVPs in the NFL. Capitalistroadster 03:55, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Question I'm wondering if something is getting lost here - the information is already in wiki. So should the information be removed from the MVP article if this one is to stay? Jmfangio| ►Chat  03:42, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh I never knew that, in that case I would make the page to redirect where it is now. --Phbasketball6 03:46, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This article duplicates a portion of the National Football League Most Valuable Player Award. I would think we shoudl redirect the page in question to the subsection of that article. Jmfangio| ►Chat  03:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Merge - just merge the info back into the main article, NFL MVP, keep what is worth keeping and be done with it. There is one diamond with many facets; no need to talk about just one facet. --Storm Rider (talk) 07:27, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge There seems to be insufficent extra information to warrant a seperate article, therefore merge this is and redirect. Pedro | Chat  10:09, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

One more thought: The Bert Bell Award is not an MVP award, it's "Professional Player of the Year". If there is no real distinction, that should be clarified somewhere. I know "MVP" is used loosely for all such awards, but the ones that have MVP in their official names all seem to use the term "most valuable" explicitly in their criteria.--BillFlis 10:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep: Seems to be enough of a distinction between the MVP award and the Bert Bell Award. Chengwes 07:14, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Merge, but keep a distinct section in that article about the Bert Bell award. A section is warranted, but unlikely that an article is. --AEMoreira042281 15:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.