Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bert Hill (American football)


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The result was keep. Liz Read! Talk! 04:28, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Bert Hill (American football)

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While accomplished, not enough in-depth coverage to show that they pass WP:GNG, and does not meet WP:NSPORTS.  Onel 5969  TT me 11:59, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Sportspeople-related deletion discussions.  Onel 5969  TT me 11:59, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: American football and Alabama. Shellwood (talk) 12:06, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Commonness of the name makes it hard to search, but I did find some SIGCOV. E.g. this, this, this, this. Cbl62 (talk) 23:32, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't have time for any in-depth searches now, but the first result when I took a brief look was this from the "USA Strength and Conditioning Coaches Hall of Fame" which appears to be sigcov. BeanieFan11 (talk) 02:11, 25 December 2022 (UTC)

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 15:08, 31 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hey Onel, thanks for giving advice for the article. While the article is not complete, my last edits were made to highlight the importance of the athletic training in the longterm perspective of the Detroit Lions. Due to its nature, research in this field is not trivial and my personal resources are at a low right now. Further SIGCOV can and should be integrated in the article in the future. Dopeious (talk) 19:55, 28 December 2022 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:54, 7 January 2023 (UTC)
 * comment generally assistant coaches aren't considered notable unless there is a good amount of coverage. There seems to be some here to at least consider.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:25, 5 January 2023 (UTC)
 *  Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.


 * Comment. In general, strength and conditioning coaches (and position coaches, coordinators excluded) don't get all that much media coverage by virtue of their job. He's been active for a while, so it's quite possible that he got local/regional coverage in newspapers about the teams. That being said, he is in the Strength and Conditioning Coaches Hall of Fame, so he might pass WP:ANYBIO#1 except that I'm not sure how relevant/organized/legitimate the organization actually is. I'll have to take a deeper look. —  Red-tailed hawk (nest) 20:16, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * In terms of media coverage, I was able to find
 * About two paragraphs dedicated to Hill in Sports Illustrated;
 * About three paragraphs dedicated to Hill in the Amarillo Globe-News;
 * Coverage of his work for the Lions in the Detroit Free Press;
 * Coverage of his hiring by the Aggies from Associated Press;
 * I'm not quite sure that this is SIGCOV, but if the Hall of Fame honor is from a legit org (The Tennessean seems to give it weight in an obit) and is reliable (it's written by a professional historian), then I'd think that there's just enough coverage to keep the page. —  Red-tailed hawk (nest) 20:41, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * (weak) Keep. I had neglected to look at the sources presented by Cbl62 when commenting above. When taking those into consideration alongside the unique sources I listed (the one from DFP was a duplicate), I think there's WP:SIGCOV from multiple independent RS. He also appears to pass WP:ANYBIO#1 owing to his hall of fame induction. —  Red-tailed hawk (nest) 20:44, 8 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Weak Keep. Hill seems to be just notable. BeanieFan11 (talk) 17:07, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * keep Inclusion in the US Strength and Conditioning Hall of Fame provides WP:IMPACT and other sources also contribute to WP:GNG. I wouldn't use this as precedent to include "every" assistant coach, but it looks like there's good reason to include this one.--Paul McDonald (talk) 18:16, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Keep - seems to have enough coverage to satisfy GNG. Rlendog (talk) 18:07, 12 January 2023 (UTC)


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