Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Bertha Benz


 * The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review).  No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was   keep. There is no consensus between keeping or moving but neither the nominator nor anyone else mentioned a reason for deletion. Mgm|(talk) 08:18, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Bertha Benz

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Non-notable, WP:BIO1E, major article under husband, Karl Benz. Article should be merged as a section only into husband's article. Age Happens (talk) 07:24, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Comment Additional content could perhaps be gleaned from the articles in other languages about the subject (I wish my German wasn't so dreadful, it's the only one of those languages I come even close to speaking). Nosleep  break my slumber 07:35, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, upon inspection, they seem to be translations of our article. Perhaps the Czech, German, Esperanto, Dutch, Polish, Slovak, and Vietnamese Wikipedias don't have a guideline equivalent to WP:ONEEVENT? Merge any useful content. Nosleep  break my slumber 07:38, 12 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Keep. WP:BIO1E advises "If the event is highly significant, and the individual's role within it is a large one, a separate article is generally appropriate". The lady's notability is surely established by the verifiable statements that (a) "a festive holiday every two years celebrates this historic trip of Bertha Benz" and (b) "In 2008, a Bertha Benz Memorial Route[1] was officially approved as a route of industrial heritage of mankind". The achievements are quite distinct from those of Karl Benz, who was explicitly not consulted over the historic use of his invention. Bjenks (talk) 11:55, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached. Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:09, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Strong Keep If any action is to happen on the basis of WP:ONEEVENT, a move/rename seems more appropriate. The event involves Bertha Benz more than her husband, and the suggestion to merge into his page seems to have no real merit, the only possible justification being the sexist tradition of attributing all women's significant accomplishments to their husbands or to other men, and this practice has no place in wikipedia.
 * But in addition to opposing such a merge, I think Bertha is above and beyond the threshold of WP:N: there are very rich sources available:, . These sources provide very detailed coverage of this woman as an individual, her personality, some basic biographical info, actions INDEPEDENT of her husband...and she has even been the subject of artwork and events.  WP:ONEEVENT reads "...and if that person otherwise remains, or is likely to remain, low profile, then a separate biography is unlikely to be warranted"...this woman hardly strikes me as "low profile" given the coverage I see.  Cazort (talk) 01:02, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.